[Supras] Supras Digest, Vol 53, Issue 20
LN
studioartist at yahoo.com
Thu May 15 21:06:07 CDT 2008
Joe,
I am willing to bet that the 304k is after the head gasket was done by the 1st owner since you didn't know the full previous history. I read an archived post in here somewhere that most BHG happenend between 80-120k.
Liam N
Christian,
It's amazing how much luck you had just from torqueing it down. You got a deal for 1500 spent on a car and 100k mile just from retorqueing if you ask me. I myself spent 1500-1800 dollars for a whole rebuilt and it never ever ran right. Done by that idiot mechanic I posted. I got my exhaust leak fixed partially with help from you folks here. But I still now have a gas fume smell whenever the ambient air gets above 80 degree ever since that idiot completed the repair.
Liam N
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> 1. Re: Auto Trans & Oxygen Sensor Questions
> (Bigmacz28 at aol.com)
> 2. Re: Auto Trans & Oxygen Sensor Questions
> (Christian, Skip)
> 3. Re: Standalones (Michael Green)
> 4. Help for import to the US (Eric Boeck)
> 5. Re: Help for import to the US (Sean Cavanaugh)
> 6. Re: Standalones (Rockey Fox)
> 7. Re: Help for import to the US
> (cthommes at adelphia.net)Have a 89 that went 304K before rod
> bearing gave up. Don't know other
> history about the car. Oil changes etc....That's when I
> got it. Replaced with JDM
> engine. Guy said he was the second owner and got the car
> with about 160K.
>
> I had the same problem you did on a 88 but torqueing the
> head down again
> didn't help. Car ran good just some bubbles coming out
> the radiator after
> turning the engine off and would loose coolant over time. I
> did a leak down test
> and three cylinders were doing it. Compression was 170 in
> all! Car ran good!
> The leak was only one way. No coolant in cylinders or oil.
> I replaced the
> engine with rebuilt one last week. After taking the engine
> apart the head had lots
> of pits around the water channels, next to the cylinders
> and the block had
> some trenches around two out of the three cylinders in
> question. The head is
> scrap. The block is at the shop for cleaning and decking.
> The range I have
> seen is between 115K & 145K. That's about six total
> and I have two others I
> haven't looked into yet but both are in that mileage
> range.
>
> Joe Mac
>
> Tucson,Az
>
>
> In a message dated 5/14/2008 10:27:32 A.M. US Mountain
> Standard Time,
> wellner.christian at navy.mil writes:
>
> Studioartist,
>
> I wish 300K was possible with the original head gasket.
> Mine
> went at around 120K. When I replaced it, I noticed the
> block deck was
> trashed. Head gasket must have been leaking for at least
> 30K miles
> before it let go. I had only spent $1500 for the car
> & hadn't planned
> on rebuilding the engine (other than the head gasket car
> ran fine and
> looked good). So I just stuck on a new head gasket and
> crossed my
> fingers. Two weeks later, I started hearing the famous
> gurgling sound
> from the dash (heater core) telling me that the new gasket
> had started
> leaking. Needless to say, I was pissed...... So, I got
> out the torque
> wrench, and torqued all the head bolts (in sequence) to 85
> ft-lbs. What
> did I have to loose ? The "trenches" in the
> block deck looked like they
> were deeper than the allowable milling limit. Anyway, its
> now been
> about 100K miles on the same head gasket. As long as I
> let the car
> fully warm up (temp gauge needle about half way up) before
> I touch the
> throttle, it uses no coolant !!! Power is still
> reasonably good. If I
> remember correctly, the gasket is blown on #3 and #4
> cylinders.
> Now, if I can just get the auto trans to stop shifting
> from
> first straight to fourth.......
> Really would like to know if anyone has made it to 300K
> miles
> without rebuilding the engine bottom end. Trans internals
> should last
> this long if fluid is changed. Since all 7Ms blow head
> gaskets, there
> probably isn't a 7M Supra around that hasn't had a
> valve job. When I
> had my head off, I had two valves ground, and all the stem
> seals
> replaced. The new stem seals at 120K changed the oil
> consumption from 1
> qt every 700 miles to 1 qt every 2500 miles.
>
> Thanks, Skip
> '86 MA70
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Original Message
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: LN <studioartist at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Supras] Supras Digest, Vol 53, Issue 16
> To: supras at supras.com
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> If you can get 300k miles on stock head gasket it would be
> a first.
> Mine went to 135k then it was gone. Hope that answers
> it.
>
>
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>
> I think the only reason my torquing the head bolts worked
> was
> that my head gasket was only two weeks old.
> 304K !!! Congratulations ! Your's is the record so
> far.
>
> Thanks, Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bigmacz28 at aol.com [mailto:Bigmacz28 at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 13:53
> To: Christian, Skip; supras at supras.com
> Cc: studioartist at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Supras] Auto Trans & Oxygen Sensor
> Questions
>
> Have a 89 that went 304K before rod bearing gave up.
> Don't know other
> history about the car. Oil changes etc....That's when I
> got it. Replaced
> with JDM engine. Guy said he was the second owner and got
> the car with
> about 160K.
>
> I had the same problem you did on a 88 but torqueing the
> head down again
> didn't help. Car ran good just some bubbles coming out
> the radiator
> after turning the engine off and would loose coolant over
> time. I did a
> leak down test and three cylinders were doing it.
> Compression was 170 in
> all! Car ran good! The leak was only one way. No coolant in
> cylinders or
> oil. I replaced the engine with rebuilt one last week.
> After taking the
> engine apart the head had lots of pits around the water
> channels, next
> to the cylinders and the block had some trenches around two
> out of the
> three cylinders in question. The head is scrap. The block
> is at the shop
> for cleaning and decking. The range I have seen is between
> 115K & 145K.
> That's about six total and I have two others I
> haven't looked into yet
> but both are in that mileage range.
>
> Joe Mac
>
> Tucson,Az
>
> In a message dated 5/14/2008 10:27:32 A.M. US Mountain
> Standard Time,
> wellner.christian at navy.mil writes:
>
> Studioartist,
>
> I wish 300K was possible with the original head
> gasket.
> Mine
> went at around 120K. When I replaced it, I noticed the
> block
> deck was
> trashed. Head gasket must have been leaking for at least
> 30K
> miles
> before it let go. I had only spent $1500 for the car
> & hadn't
> planned
> on rebuilding the engine (other than the head gasket car
> ran
> fine and
> looked good). So I just stuck on a new head gasket and
> crossed
> my
> fingers. Two weeks later, I started hearing the famous
> gurgling
> sound
> from the dash (heater core) telling me that the new gasket
> had
> started
> leaking. Needless to say, I was pissed...... So, I got
> out the
> torque
> wrench, and torqued all the head bolts (in sequence) to 85
> ft-lbs. What
> did I have to loose ? The "trenches" in the
> block deck looked
> like they
> were deeper than the allowable milling limit. Anyway, its
> now
> been
> about 100K miles on the same head gasket. As long as I
> let the
> car
> fully warm up (temp gauge needle about half way up) before
> I
> touch the
> throttle, it uses no coolant !!! Power is still
> reasonably
> good. If I
> remember correctly, the gasket is blown on #3 and #4
> cylinders.
> Now, if I can just get the auto trans to stop shifting
> from
> first straight to fourth.......
> Really would like to know if anyone has made it to
> 300K
> miles
> without rebuilding the engine bottom end. Trans internals
> should last
> this long if fluid is changed. Since all 7Ms blow head
> gaskets,
> there
> probably isn't a 7M Supra around that hasn't had a
> valve job.
> When I
> had my head off, I had two valves ground, and all the stem
> seals
> replaced. The new stem seals at 120K changed the oil
> consumption from 1
> qt every 700 miles to 1 qt every 2500 miles.
>
> Thanks, Skip
> '86 MA70
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Original Message
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: LN <studioartist at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Supras] Supras Digest, Vol 53, Issue 16
> To: supras at supras.com
> Message-ID:
> <489860.95412.qm at web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> If you can get 300k miles on stock head gasket it would be
> a
> first.
> Mine went to 135k then it was gone. Hope that answers it.
>
>
>
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> This unit offers a great deal of capabilities for a very
> reasonable price. The support offered on Full Throttle Tech
> is outstanding and the knowledgeable people will answer any
> questions you have. Rocky; what T-Pro update are you
> running? I installed version 4.80 prior to doing any
> tuning. I have never had an issue with fuel cut, regardless
> of RPM and currently running 17.5 PSI. I remember reading
> something about issues with the 4.40 version that comes
> with the T-Pro.
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>
> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:42:31 -0700> From:
> supr91tt at yahoo.com> To: sprigmo1 at yahoo.com;
> supras at supras.com> Subject: Re: [Supras] Standalones>
> > Malik, any particular reason you are leaning towards a
> more expensive (likely more complicated) stand alone over
> the MAFT-Pro piggy back? I'm not a paid supporter, in
> fact I'm only just now wading in on the MAFT-Pro in
> speed density mode and learning about engine control while
> coming up to speed. Currently after 2 weeks (OK I'm a
> little little slow) I'm working on out-of-the-box
> conservative tune on basically stock turbo setup I've
> started tweaking the boost control settings and trying to
> figure out why the heck am I hitting fuel cut at any less
> than 4000 rpm ~ 12 psi boost but above that no problems and
> maintaining ~ 11.9 AFR?? > I'm pretty sure it has
> something to do with an as yet understood setting but at 10
> psi boost I had no issues and noticeably improved
> performance and engine stability immediately after basic
> install and setup. I don't know what the current cost
> of a stand alone system is but I paid ~ $700 for the speed
> density complete kit back in November (OK, I'm a little
> slow with upgrades). Personally I'm impressed so far
> after only 2 weeks of my rather slow implementation and
> further tuning of what appears to be a relatively
> inexpensive, highly tunable engine control (boost, AFR,
> & timing if I choose) option.> > FWIW from a
> MAFT-Pro newbie - but enjoying relatively inexpensive
> control/tuning (if becomes expensive probably from not
> conservative adjustments)> Rockey 91T> > >
> ----- Original Message ----> From: sprigmo1
> <sprigmo1 at yahoo.com>> To: car club
> <supras at supras.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008
> 3:53:18 PM> Subject: [Supras] Standalones> > Is
> anyone on the list using an Electromotive TEC.> Been
> doing some research and it seems like a great> unit.
> Expensive but it seems to be worth a look!> Malik> On
> another note. My build is progressing well, just> slow.
> Just got my ATI Dampner back. For anyone going> that
> route, you have to get your crank bolt machined> down to
> fit inside the ATI.> My head is still at the shop but the
> coated pistons> are in and the bottom half is all
> together. Just> gotta get my head back on. I have the
> HKS adj cam> gears but I don't plan on using them so
> I want to get> some stock ones. Anyone got some layin
> around let me> know. I also have a Lexus afm
> w/electronics I'm> getting rid of.> >
> Malik> It Ain't Eazy Being Me!!!!> 92Trbo Supra
> 367whp> 92 Supra Turbo Targa, > Blitz peek hold
> device, Apexi Super AFC, Apexi AVC-R, HKS > Timing
> Gears,, K&N FIPKE, catch can modification, > Apexi
> N1 Exhaust, Random Technology High flow > CAT, AEM UEGO
> Wideband 02 Unit, CSF > Aluminum 52mm Race radiator,
> Walbro > Racing Fuel Pump, Aeromotive AFPR, >
> Horsepower Freaks 700hp custom Supra > intercooler and
> hardpipes, Greddy bov, HKS > 3000Pipe > > >
> > > > >
> _______________________________________________> Supras
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> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.comGuys,
>
> I'm moving to the US in a couple months, and I want to
> bring my Canadian 91
> Supra Turbo with me. However, Toyota won't issue me a
> certificate saying
> it's OK to import. ONE thing they mentioned was the
> "passive restraint
> system", which I take to mean the seat belts. The
> metioned nhtsa 208 in the
> document.
>
> Now, I know Darren has a Canadian Supra in Florida, so it
> must be doable.
> And there has to be others. Please, please, please tell me
> what you needed
> to do to get into the US!!!!! I don't want to leave my
> baby behind for 2
> years until it becomes a classic ...
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Eric
> 91T Canadian going to Texas.i dont believe you need a
> certifitcate as the canadian version is pretty much
> identical to the US version. you might want to see if US
> Customs or Department of Transportation has any information
> on this.
>
> -Sean
>
> > From: eboeck at cogeco.ca
> > To: supras at supras.com
> > Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:45:57 -0400
> > CC: darnsuprat at hotmail.com
> > Subject: [Supras] Help for import to the US
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I'm moving to the US in a couple months, and I
> want to bring my Canadian 91
> > Supra Turbo with me. However, Toyota won't issue
> me a certificate saying
> > it's OK to import. ONE thing they mentioned was
> the "passive restraint
> > system", which I take to mean the seat belts.
> The metioned nhtsa 208 in the
> > document.
> >
> > Now, I know Darren has a Canadian Supra in Florida, so
> it must be doable.
> > And there has to be others. Please, please, please
> tell me what you needed
> > to do to get into the US!!!!! I don't want to
> leave my baby behind for 2
> > years until it becomes a classic ...
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Eric
> > 91T Canadian going to Texas.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Supras mailing list
> > Supras at supras.com
> >
> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.comversion
> 5.03. I really need to get the tuner-pro software hooked up
> so I can start data logging to figure out what's
> causing it. It may be fuel availability related as I
> haven't yet upgraded to Walbro fuel pump or 550
> injectors. That may be a consideration for my $600
> government gift check.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Green <mikejaygreen at hotmail.com>
> To: Rockey Fox <supr91tt at yahoo.com>; sprigmo1
> <sprigmo1 at yahoo.com>; car club
> <supras at supras.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:56:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [Supras] Standalones
>
> I have to second Rocky's Translator Pro
> recommendation. This unit offers a great deal of
> capabilities for a very reasonable price. The support
> offered on Full Throttle Tech is outstanding and the
> knowledgeable people will answer any questions you have.
> Rocky; what T-Pro update are you running? I installed
> version 4.80 prior to doing any tuning. I have never had an
> issue with fuel cut, regardless of RPM and currently running
> 17.5 PSI. I remember reading something about issues with the
> 4.40 version that comes with the T-Pro.
>
> Mike
>
> ________________________________
>
> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:42:31 -0700
> > From: supr91tt at yahoo.com
> > To: sprigmo1 at yahoo.com; supras at supras.com
> > Subject: Re: [Supras] Standalones
> >
> > Malik, any particular reason you are leaning towards a
> more expensive (likely more complicated) stand alone over
> the MAFT-Pro piggy back? I'm not a paid supporter, in
> fact I'm only just now wading in on the MAFT-Pro in
> speed density mode and learning about engine control while
> coming up to speed. Currently after 2 weeks (OK I'm a
> little little slow) I'm working on out-of-the-box
> conservative tune on basically stock turbo setup I've
> started tweaking the boost control settings and trying to
> figure out why the heck am I hitting fuel cut at any less
> than 4000 rpm ~ 12 psi boost but above that no problems and
> maintaining ~ 11.9 AFR??
> > I'm pretty sure it has something to do with an as
> yet understood setting but at 10 psi boost I had no issues
> and noticeably improved performance and engine stability
> immediately after basic install and setup. I don't know
> what the current cost of a stand alone system is but I paid
> ~ $700 for the speed density complete kit back in November
> (OK, I'm a little slow with upgrades). Personally
> I'm impressed so far after only 2 weeks of my rather
> slow implementation and further tuning of what appears to
> be a relatively inexpensive, highly tunable engine control
> (boost, AFR, & timing if I choose) option.
> >
> > FWIW from a MAFT-Pro newbie - but enjoying relatively
> inexpensive control/tuning (if becomes expensive probably
> from not conservative adjustments)
> > Rockey 91T
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: sprigmo1 <sprigmo1 at yahoo.com>
> > To: car club <supras at supras.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:53:18 PM
> > Subject: [Supras] Standalones
> >
> > Is anyone on the list using an Electromotive TEC.
> > Been doing some research and it seems like a great
> > unit. Expensive but it seems to be worth a look!
> > Malik
> > On another note. My build is progressing well, just
> > slow. Just got my ATI Dampner back. For anyone going
> > that route, you have to get your crank bolt machined
> > down to fit inside the ATI.
> > My head is still at the shop but the coated pistons
> > are in and the bottom half is all together. Just
> > gotta get my head back on. I have the HKS adj cam
> > gears but I don't plan on using them so I want to
> get
> > some stock ones. Anyone got some layin around let me
> > know. I also have a Lexus afm w/electronics I'm
> > getting rid of.
> >
> > Malik
> > It Ain't Eazy Being Me!!!!
> > 92Trbo Supra 367whp
> > 92 Supra Turbo Targa,
> > Blitz peek hold device, Apexi Super AFC, Apexi AVC-R,
> HKS
> > Timing Gears,, K&N FIPKE, catch can modification,
> > Apexi N1 Exhaust, Random Technology High flow
> > CAT, AEM UEGO Wideband 02 Unit, CSF
> > Aluminum 52mm Race radiator, Walbro
> > Racing Fuel Pump, Aeromotive AFPR,
> > Horsepower Freaks 700hp custom Supra
> > intercooler and hardpipes, Greddy bov, HKS
> > 3000Pipe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Supras mailing list
> > Supras at supras.com
> > http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.comPassive
> Restraint system would refer to the driver's side
> airbag, which I don't believe was installed on canadian
> cars? All 90+ US cars must have driver's passive
> restrains, in the form of automatic seat belts or an
> airbag.
>
> -Craig
>
> ---- Sean Cavanaugh <millenia2000 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > i dont believe you need a certifitcate as the canadian
> version is pretty much identical to the US version. you
> might want to see if US Customs or Department of
> Transportation has any information on this.
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> > > From: eboeck at cogeco.ca
> > > To: supras at supras.com
> > > Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:45:57 -0400
> > > CC: darnsuprat at hotmail.com
> > > Subject: [Supras] Help for import to the US
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > I'm moving to the US in a couple months, and
> I want to bring my Canadian 91
> > > Supra Turbo with me. However, Toyota won't
> issue me a certificate saying
> > > it's OK to import. ONE thing they mentioned
> was the "passive restraint
> > > system", which I take to mean the seat
> belts. The metioned nhtsa 208 in the
> > > document.
> > >
> > > Now, I know Darren has a Canadian Supra in
> Florida, so it must be doable.
> > > And there has to be others. Please, please,
> please tell me what you needed
> > > to do to get into the US!!!!! I don't want
> to leave my baby behind for 2
> > > years until it becomes a classic ...
> > >
> > > Any help is greatly appreciated!
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > 91T Canadian going to Texas.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Supras mailing list
> > > Supras at supras.com
> > >
> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.com
> > _______________________________________________
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