[Supras] 57 trim driveability
Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)
Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov
Thu Jan 31 16:02:27 CST 2008
I recently talked to a mk3 owner that claims to be piloting a car in the
Rolex series this year. I've requested to help crew for the team at the
VIR event, so we'll see. Just think what nice mk4s some of us could have
if we hadn't sunk all that time & money into our cars. Well, given
current ridiculous mk4 prices maybe there wouldn't be many in that
category.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Jobe [mailto:jjobe2 at supratech.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:55 PM
To: Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)
Cc: cthommes at adelphia.net; berniek at technicaldevelop.com;
Supras at supras.com
Subject: Re: [Supras] 57 trim driveability
Are we talking about mk4's now? >1/4mi and no mk3 owner can afford a
pit crew.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:42:54PM -0500, Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)
wrote:
> No, but that's what pit crews are there for :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cthommes at adelphia.net [mailto:cthommes at adelphia.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:57 PM
> To: Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)
> Cc: Supras at supras.com; berniek at technicaldevelop.com; Jeff Mohler
> Subject: RE: [Supras] 57 trim driveability
>
> I don't understand. Supras are capable of driving a full quarter of a
> mile without blowing a head gasket?
>
> -Craig
>
> ---- "Walker wrote:
> > Mohler said fast, not quick 1/4 mile cars ;)
> >
> > Brian W-88T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cthommes at adelphia.net [mailto:cthommes at adelphia.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:01 PM
> > To: Jeff Mohler
> > Cc: Supras at supras.com; berniek at technicaldevelop.com; Walker, Brian
> > (Rich. Dist)
> > Subject: Re: [Supras] 57 trim driveability
> >
> > I call "bullsh!t" from the central coast.
> >
> > -Craig
> >
> > ---- Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If there was any way to be near YOU, id help..but there are no
> > > fast supras within 100s of miles of San Francisco, CA.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, im callin you Norcal MK3 owners out..
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
> > > <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
> > > > Jeff:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the response. Well, the consensus now that you
> > > > have also "voted" is that its up to me to put more time into
> > > > learning how to deal with the change in character of the car.
> > > > I gotta get some time at a track, but the nearest one where
> > > > there is any chance
> >
> > > > of getting time is in Englishtown, NJ, about 50 miles south.
> > > > The
>
> > > > back roads by Picatinny Arsenal near my home are just too
> > > > unforgiving if I lose it: no shoulders, but trees and (in some
> > > > cases) guard rails instead (cops are there, but rarely).
> > > > Unfortunately, NJ is the state with highest population density,
> > > > and
> >
> > > > I'm stuck here due to work and my electronic design client
base.
>
> > > > You are almost correct about 1 bit throttle resolution, at
> > > > least to
> >
> > > > date. I still have only 600 miles on the refreshed JDM engine
> > > > due to residual salt on the roads, lack of time, and rain. As
> > > > the weather gets better I'll take the car to an on-site client
> > > > location
> >
> > > > a day or two per week, also on back roads and only about 10
> > > > miles
>
> > > > away. I guess a good way to start to learn is to first counter
> > > > the
> >
> > > > intuitive nature to back off completely at first when starting
> > > > to break traction in a straight line. Cornering can then come
later.
> > Let me know if you disagree.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Take care.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Mohler wrote:
> > > > > Bernie:
> > > > >
> > > > > Once you learn that on a turbo car you can still accelerate
> > > > while
> >
> > > > > LIFTING the throttle to maintain control and being ahead of
> > > > > the
> > > > car > instead of behind it, you'll do better.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think youre driving with a 1 bit resolution on the
> > > > throttle, instead > of a measured response to what the car
-will- do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Trust me..the BIG super many hundreds more HP turbos than
> > > > what you > have are hard to drive, not a pea shooter with an
upgrade.
> > > > ;) > > Most issues with driving a challenging car, are the
> > > > drivers
> >
> > > > > fault...dont waste any time or money bringing the car to your
> > > > > >
> > > > level..you rise up to its level.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> I guess what I'm trying to state is that in a sense,
> spoolup
> > within
> > > > >> a very small RPM range (2800~3200) coupled with throttle
> > > > non-linearity >> seems almost like an artificial impediment.
> > > > Yes,
> >
> > > > I know it is the >> character of the car now ('91 with mods as
> > > > described), and maintaining >> controllability on the edge of
> > > > a dry pavement drift was much easier >> (albeit slower) with
> > > > my
> > former '90, which was essentially stock.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ultimately an answer will come out of this, either in
> terms
> > of
> > > > >> increased learning effort on my part or by some means of
> > > > driveability >> assist, if you will. As stated, Ford attacked
> > > > this problem over 40 >> years ago by throttle linkage based
> > > > non-linearity introduction when the >> Paxton blown 312 CID
> > > > Y-block V8 was introduced to compete with the Chevy >> and
> > > > Pontiac
> > Rochester constant flow fuel injection system.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Bernie
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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