[Supras] 57 trim driveability

[cthommes at adelphia.net]

I thought the whole point was that there are no fast supras within 100s of miles of San Francisco, CA?

-Craig

---- Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote: 
> ..thats the whole point.
> 
> You dont have to be a fast driver, just a better one.  Its never about
> the speed.
> 
> ..which is pretty much Bernie's issue.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:51 AM,  <cthommes at adelphia.net> wrote:
> > Never had an interest.  Besides, you said a fast Supra not a fast driver.
> >
> >  Got brakes.
> >  -Craig
> >
> >
> >  ---- Speedtoys <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > Never seen you at a track day...
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> > > Got brakes?
> >  > ======
> >  > 25hrs or one season with one pad set is possible.  Save money and pit
> >  > time, compromise nothing.  Ask how.
> >  > TXT or Tone: 8414546712 at txt.att.net
> >  > http://www.speedtoys.com
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> > > On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:01 AM, <cthommes at adelphia.net> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > I call "bullshit" from the central coast.
> >
> >
> > > >
> >  > > -Craig
> >  > >
> >  > > ---- Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > >> If there was any way to be near YOU, id help..but there are no fast
> >  > >> supras within 100s of miles of San Francisco, CA.
> >  > >>
> >  > >>
> >  > >> Yes, im callin you Norcal MK3 owners out..
> >  > >>
> >  > >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
> >  > >> <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
> >  > >>> Jeff:
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>    Thanks for the response.  Well, the consensus now that you have
> >  > >>> also
> >  > >>> "voted" is that its up to me to put more time into learning how to
> >  > >>> deal
> >  > >>> with the change in character of the car.  I gotta get some time at a
> >  > >>> track, but the nearest one where there is any chance of getting
> >  > >>> time is
> >  > >>> in Englishtown, NJ, about 50 miles south.  The back roads by
> >  > >>> Picatinny
> >  > >>> Arsenal near my home are just too unforgiving if I lose it:  no
> >  > >>> shoulders, but trees and (in some cases) guard rails instead (cops
> >  > >>> are
> >  > >>> there, but rarely).  Unfortunately, NJ is the state with highest
> >  > >>> population density, and I'm stuck here due to work and my electronic
> >  > >>> design client base.  You are almost correct about 1 bit throttle
> >  > >>> resolution, at least to date.  I still have only 600 miles on the
> >  > >>> refreshed JDM engine due to residual salt on the roads, lack of
> >  > >>> time,
> >  > >>> and rain.  As the weather gets better I'll take the car to an on-
> >  > >>> site
> >  > >>> client location a day or two per week, also on back roads and only
> >  > >>> about
> >  > >>> 10 miles away.  I guess a good way to start to learn is to first
> >  > >>> counter
> >  > >>> the intuitive nature to back off completely at first when starting
> >  > >>> to
> >  > >>> break traction in a straight line.  Cornering can then come
> >  > >>> later.  Let
> >  > >>> me know if you disagree.
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>> Take care.
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>    Bernie
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>> Jeff Mohler wrote:
> >  > >>>> Bernie:
> >  > >>>>
> >  > >>>> Once you learn that on a turbo car you can still accelerate while
> >  > >>>> LIFTING the throttle to maintain control and being ahead of the car
> >  > >>>> instead of behind it, you'll do better.
> >  > >>>>
> >  > >>>> I think youre driving with a 1 bit resolution on the throttle,
> >  > >>>> instead
> >  > >>>> of a measured response to what the car -will- do.
> >  > >>>>
> >  > >>>> Trust me..the BIG super many hundreds more HP turbos than what you
> >  > >>>> have are hard to drive, not a pea shooter with an upgrade.  ;)
> >  > >>>>
> >  > >>>> Most issues with driving a challenging car, are the drivers
> >  > >>>> fault...dont waste any time or money bringing the car to your
> >  > >>>> level..you rise up to its level.
> >  > >>>>
> >  > >>>>
> >  > >>>>>    I guess what I'm trying to state is that in a sense, spoolup
> >  > >>>>> within
> >  > >>>>> a very small RPM range (2800~3200) coupled with throttle non-
> >  > >>>>> linearity
> >  > >>>>> seems almost like an artificial impediment.  Yes, I know it is the
> >  > >>>>> character of the car now ('91 with mods as described), and
> >  > >>>>> maintaining
> >  > >>>>> controllability on the edge of a dry pavement drift was much
> >  > >>>>> easier
> >  > >>>>> (albeit slower) with my former '90, which was essentially stock.
> >  > >>>>>
> >  > >>>>>
> >  > >>>>>    Ultimately an answer will come out of this, either in terms of
> >  > >>>>> increased learning effort on my part or by some means of
> >  > >>>>> driveability
> >  > >>>>> assist, if you will.  As stated, Ford attacked this problem over
> >  > >>>>> 40
> >  > >>>>> years ago by throttle linkage based non-linearity introduction
> >  > >>>>> when the
> >  > >>>>> Paxton blown 312 CID Y-block V8 was introduced to compete with
> >  > >>>>> the Chevy
> >  > >>>>> and Pontiac Rochester constant flow fuel injection system.
> >  > >>>>>
> >  > >>>>>
> >  > >>>>>    Bernie
> >  > >>>>>
> >  > >>>>>
> >  > >>>>>
> >  > >>>>>
> >  > >>>>>
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