[Supras] 57 trim driveability

[Jeff Mohler]

..thats the whole point.

You dont have to be a fast driver, just a better one.  Its never about
the speed.

..which is pretty much Bernie's issue.

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:51 AM,  <cthommes at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Never had an interest.  Besides, you said a fast Supra not a fast driver.
>
>  Got brakes.
>  -Craig
>
>
>  ---- Speedtoys <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > Never seen you at a track day...
>  >
>  >
>
> > Got brakes?
>  > ======
>  > 25hrs or one season with one pad set is possible.  Save money and pit
>  > time, compromise nothing.  Ask how.
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>  >
>  >
>
> > On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:01 AM, <cthommes at adelphia.net> wrote:
>  >
>  > > I call "bullshit" from the central coast.
>
>
> > >
>  > > -Craig
>  > >
>  > > ---- Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > >> If there was any way to be near YOU, id help..but there are no fast
>  > >> supras within 100s of miles of San Francisco, CA.
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >> Yes, im callin you Norcal MK3 owners out..
>  > >>
>  > >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
>  > >> <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
>  > >>> Jeff:
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>    Thanks for the response.  Well, the consensus now that you have
>  > >>> also
>  > >>> "voted" is that its up to me to put more time into learning how to
>  > >>> deal
>  > >>> with the change in character of the car.  I gotta get some time at a
>  > >>> track, but the nearest one where there is any chance of getting
>  > >>> time is
>  > >>> in Englishtown, NJ, about 50 miles south.  The back roads by
>  > >>> Picatinny
>  > >>> Arsenal near my home are just too unforgiving if I lose it:  no
>  > >>> shoulders, but trees and (in some cases) guard rails instead (cops
>  > >>> are
>  > >>> there, but rarely).  Unfortunately, NJ is the state with highest
>  > >>> population density, and I'm stuck here due to work and my electronic
>  > >>> design client base.  You are almost correct about 1 bit throttle
>  > >>> resolution, at least to date.  I still have only 600 miles on the
>  > >>> refreshed JDM engine due to residual salt on the roads, lack of
>  > >>> time,
>  > >>> and rain.  As the weather gets better I'll take the car to an on-
>  > >>> site
>  > >>> client location a day or two per week, also on back roads and only
>  > >>> about
>  > >>> 10 miles away.  I guess a good way to start to learn is to first
>  > >>> counter
>  > >>> the intuitive nature to back off completely at first when starting
>  > >>> to
>  > >>> break traction in a straight line.  Cornering can then come
>  > >>> later.  Let
>  > >>> me know if you disagree.
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Take care.
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>    Bernie
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Jeff Mohler wrote:
>  > >>>> Bernie:
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Once you learn that on a turbo car you can still accelerate while
>  > >>>> LIFTING the throttle to maintain control and being ahead of the car
>  > >>>> instead of behind it, you'll do better.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> I think youre driving with a 1 bit resolution on the throttle,
>  > >>>> instead
>  > >>>> of a measured response to what the car -will- do.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Trust me..the BIG super many hundreds more HP turbos than what you
>  > >>>> have are hard to drive, not a pea shooter with an upgrade.  ;)
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Most issues with driving a challenging car, are the drivers
>  > >>>> fault...dont waste any time or money bringing the car to your
>  > >>>> level..you rise up to its level.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>>    I guess what I'm trying to state is that in a sense, spoolup
>  > >>>>> within
>  > >>>>> a very small RPM range (2800~3200) coupled with throttle non-
>  > >>>>> linearity
>  > >>>>> seems almost like an artificial impediment.  Yes, I know it is the
>  > >>>>> character of the car now ('91 with mods as described), and
>  > >>>>> maintaining
>  > >>>>> controllability on the edge of a dry pavement drift was much
>  > >>>>> easier
>  > >>>>> (albeit slower) with my former '90, which was essentially stock.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>    Ultimately an answer will come out of this, either in terms of
>  > >>>>> increased learning effort on my part or by some means of
>  > >>>>> driveability
>  > >>>>> assist, if you will.  As stated, Ford attacked this problem over
>  > >>>>> 40
>  > >>>>> years ago by throttle linkage based non-linearity introduction
>  > >>>>> when the
>  > >>>>> Paxton blown 312 CID Y-block V8 was introduced to compete with
>  > >>>>> the Chevy
>  > >>>>> and Pontiac Rochester constant flow fuel injection system.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>    Bernie
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
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