[Supras] 57 trim driveability

[cthommes at adelphia.net]

Never had an interest.  Besides, you said a fast Supra not a fast driver.

Got brakes.
-Craig

---- Speedtoys <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Never seen you at a track day...
> 
> 
> Got brakes?
> ======
> 25hrs or one season with one pad set is possible.  Save money and pit  
> time, compromise nothing.  Ask how.
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> 
> On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:01 AM, <cthommes at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> > I call "bullshit" from the central coast.
> >
> > -Craig
> >
> > ---- Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> If there was any way to be near YOU, id help..but there are no fast
> >> supras within 100s of miles of San Francisco, CA.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, im callin you Norcal MK3 owners out..
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
> >> <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
> >>> Jeff:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    Thanks for the response.  Well, the consensus now that you have  
> >>> also
> >>> "voted" is that its up to me to put more time into learning how to  
> >>> deal
> >>> with the change in character of the car.  I gotta get some time at a
> >>> track, but the nearest one where there is any chance of getting  
> >>> time is
> >>> in Englishtown, NJ, about 50 miles south.  The back roads by  
> >>> Picatinny
> >>> Arsenal near my home are just too unforgiving if I lose it:  no
> >>> shoulders, but trees and (in some cases) guard rails instead (cops  
> >>> are
> >>> there, but rarely).  Unfortunately, NJ is the state with highest
> >>> population density, and I'm stuck here due to work and my electronic
> >>> design client base.  You are almost correct about 1 bit throttle
> >>> resolution, at least to date.  I still have only 600 miles on the
> >>> refreshed JDM engine due to residual salt on the roads, lack of  
> >>> time,
> >>> and rain.  As the weather gets better I'll take the car to an on- 
> >>> site
> >>> client location a day or two per week, also on back roads and only  
> >>> about
> >>> 10 miles away.  I guess a good way to start to learn is to first  
> >>> counter
> >>> the intuitive nature to back off completely at first when starting  
> >>> to
> >>> break traction in a straight line.  Cornering can then come  
> >>> later.  Let
> >>> me know if you disagree.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Take care.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    Bernie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jeff Mohler wrote:
> >>>> Bernie:
> >>>>
> >>>> Once you learn that on a turbo car you can still accelerate while
> >>>> LIFTING the throttle to maintain control and being ahead of the car
> >>>> instead of behind it, you'll do better.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think youre driving with a 1 bit resolution on the throttle,  
> >>>> instead
> >>>> of a measured response to what the car -will- do.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trust me..the BIG super many hundreds more HP turbos than what you
> >>>> have are hard to drive, not a pea shooter with an upgrade.  ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> Most issues with driving a challenging car, are the drivers
> >>>> fault...dont waste any time or money bringing the car to your
> >>>> level..you rise up to its level.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>    I guess what I'm trying to state is that in a sense, spoolup  
> >>>>> within
> >>>>> a very small RPM range (2800~3200) coupled with throttle non- 
> >>>>> linearity
> >>>>> seems almost like an artificial impediment.  Yes, I know it is the
> >>>>> character of the car now ('91 with mods as described), and  
> >>>>> maintaining
> >>>>> controllability on the edge of a dry pavement drift was much  
> >>>>> easier
> >>>>> (albeit slower) with my former '90, which was essentially stock.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Ultimately an answer will come out of this, either in terms of
> >>>>> increased learning effort on my part or by some means of  
> >>>>> driveability
> >>>>> assist, if you will.  As stated, Ford attacked this problem over  
> >>>>> 40
> >>>>> years ago by throttle linkage based non-linearity introduction  
> >>>>> when the
> >>>>> Paxton blown 312 CID Y-block V8 was introduced to compete with  
> >>>>> the Chevy
> >>>>> and Pontiac Rochester constant flow fuel injection system.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Bernie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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