[Supras] 57 trim driveability

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On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:41 AM, "Walker, Brian \(Rich. Dist\)" <Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov 
 > wrote:

> Mohler said fast, not quick 1/4 mile cars ;)
>
> Brian W-88T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cthommes at adelphia.net [mailto:cthommes at adelphia.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:01 PM
> To: Jeff Mohler
> Cc: Supras at supras.com; berniek at technicaldevelop.com; Walker, Brian
> (Rich. Dist)
> Subject: Re: [Supras] 57 trim driveability
>
> I call "bullsh!t" from the central coast.
>
> -Craig
>
> ---- Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If there was any way to be near YOU, id help..but there are no fast
>> supras within 100s of miles of San Francisco, CA.
>>
>>
>> Yes, im callin you Norcal MK3 owners out..
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
>> <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
>>> Jeff:
>>>
>>>
>>>    Thanks for the response.  Well, the consensus now that you have
>>> also  "voted" is that its up to me to put more time into learning
>>> how to deal  with the change in character of the car.  I gotta get
>>> some time at a  track, but the nearest one where there is any chance
>
>>> of getting time is  in Englishtown, NJ, about 50 miles south.  The
>>> back roads by Picatinny  Arsenal near my home are just too
>>> unforgiving if I lose it:  no  shoulders, but trees and (in some
>>> cases) guard rails instead (cops are  there, but rarely).
>>> Unfortunately, NJ is the state with highest  population density, and
>
>>> I'm stuck here due to work and my electronic  design client base.
>>> You are almost correct about 1 bit throttle  resolution, at least to
>
>>> date.  I still have only 600 miles on the  refreshed JDM engine due
>>> to residual salt on the roads, lack of time,  and rain.  As the
>>> weather gets better I'll take the car to an on-site  client location
>
>>> a day or two per week, also on back roads and only about  10 miles
>>> away.  I guess a good way to start to learn is to first counter  the
>
>>> intuitive nature to back off completely at first when starting to
>>> break traction in a straight line.  Cornering can then come later.
> Let  me know if you disagree.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take care.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Bernie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Mohler wrote:
>>>> Bernie:
>>>>
>>>> Once you learn that on a turbo car you can still accelerate while
>
>>>> LIFTING the throttle to maintain control and being ahead of the
>>> car  > instead of behind it, you'll do better.
>>>>
>>>> I think youre driving with a 1 bit resolution on the throttle,
>>> instead  > of a measured response to what the car -will- do.
>>>>
>>>> Trust me..the BIG super many hundreds more HP turbos than what
>>> you  > have are hard to drive, not a pea shooter with an upgrade.
>>> ;)  >  > Most issues with driving a challenging car, are the drivers
>
>>>> fault...dont waste any time or money bringing the car to your  >
>>> level..you rise up to its level.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>    I guess what I'm trying to state is that in a sense, spoolup
> within
>>>>> a very small RPM range (2800~3200) coupled with throttle
>>> non-linearity  >>  seems almost like an artificial impediment.  Yes,
>
>>> I know it is the  >>  character of the car now ('91 with mods as
>>> described), and maintaining  >>  controllability on the edge of a
>>> dry pavement drift was much easier  >>  (albeit slower) with my
> former '90, which was essentially stock.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Ultimately an answer will come out of this, either in terms
> of
>>>>> increased learning effort on my part or by some means of
>>> driveability  >>  assist, if you will.  As stated, Ford attacked
>>> this problem over 40  >>  years ago by throttle linkage based
>>> non-linearity introduction when the  >>  Paxton blown 312 CID
>>> Y-block V8 was introduced to compete with the Chevy  >>  and Pontiac
> Rochester constant flow fuel injection system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Bernie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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