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On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:01 AM, <cthommes at adelphia.net> wrote:

> I call "bullshit" from the central coast.
>
> -Craig
>
> ---- Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If there was any way to be near YOU, id help..but there are no fast
>> supras within 100s of miles of San Francisco, CA.
>>
>>
>> Yes, im callin you Norcal MK3 owners out..
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
>> <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
>>> Jeff:
>>>
>>>
>>>    Thanks for the response.  Well, the consensus now that you have  
>>> also
>>> "voted" is that its up to me to put more time into learning how to  
>>> deal
>>> with the change in character of the car.  I gotta get some time at a
>>> track, but the nearest one where there is any chance of getting  
>>> time is
>>> in Englishtown, NJ, about 50 miles south.  The back roads by  
>>> Picatinny
>>> Arsenal near my home are just too unforgiving if I lose it:  no
>>> shoulders, but trees and (in some cases) guard rails instead (cops  
>>> are
>>> there, but rarely).  Unfortunately, NJ is the state with highest
>>> population density, and I'm stuck here due to work and my electronic
>>> design client base.  You are almost correct about 1 bit throttle
>>> resolution, at least to date.  I still have only 600 miles on the
>>> refreshed JDM engine due to residual salt on the roads, lack of  
>>> time,
>>> and rain.  As the weather gets better I'll take the car to an on- 
>>> site
>>> client location a day or two per week, also on back roads and only  
>>> about
>>> 10 miles away.  I guess a good way to start to learn is to first  
>>> counter
>>> the intuitive nature to back off completely at first when starting  
>>> to
>>> break traction in a straight line.  Cornering can then come  
>>> later.  Let
>>> me know if you disagree.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take care.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Bernie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Mohler wrote:
>>>> Bernie:
>>>>
>>>> Once you learn that on a turbo car you can still accelerate while
>>>> LIFTING the throttle to maintain control and being ahead of the car
>>>> instead of behind it, you'll do better.
>>>>
>>>> I think youre driving with a 1 bit resolution on the throttle,  
>>>> instead
>>>> of a measured response to what the car -will- do.
>>>>
>>>> Trust me..the BIG super many hundreds more HP turbos than what you
>>>> have are hard to drive, not a pea shooter with an upgrade.  ;)
>>>>
>>>> Most issues with driving a challenging car, are the drivers
>>>> fault...dont waste any time or money bringing the car to your
>>>> level..you rise up to its level.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>    I guess what I'm trying to state is that in a sense, spoolup  
>>>>> within
>>>>> a very small RPM range (2800~3200) coupled with throttle non- 
>>>>> linearity
>>>>> seems almost like an artificial impediment.  Yes, I know it is the
>>>>> character of the car now ('91 with mods as described), and  
>>>>> maintaining
>>>>> controllability on the edge of a dry pavement drift was much  
>>>>> easier
>>>>> (albeit slower) with my former '90, which was essentially stock.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Ultimately an answer will come out of this, either in terms of
>>>>> increased learning effort on my part or by some means of  
>>>>> driveability
>>>>> assist, if you will.  As stated, Ford attacked this problem over  
>>>>> 40
>>>>> years ago by throttle linkage based non-linearity introduction  
>>>>> when the
>>>>> Paxton blown 312 CID Y-block V8 was introduced to compete with  
>>>>> the Chevy
>>>>> and Pontiac Rochester constant flow fuel injection system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Bernie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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