[Supras] First gear
Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)
Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov
Thu Jan 3 08:01:47 CST 2008
I can sense Gerard drafting up a response to spark the flame war right
now.....
-----Original Message-----
From: t72pwrd [mailto:nholden1 at woh.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:57 PM
To: Jeff Mohler
Cc: Jim Jobe; berniek at technicaldevelop.com; Supras at supras.com; Walker,
Brian (Rich. Dist)
Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
alright, I'm just surprisingly thin skinned about this whole subject.
Unusual for me, but a fact. Pete's name still gets under my skin and he
had a nice car!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
To: "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>
Cc: "Jim Jobe" <jjobe2 at supratech.org>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>;
<Supras at supras.com>; "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)"
<Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
> Oh I know..im just having fun with list history..thats all.
>
> Who im STILL laughing at, is Scott Mech after his hot sauce
experiment.
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 4:44 PM, t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> If you're laughing at me, please continue. I knew I shouldn't have
even
>> responded to Brian.
>>
>> If you're laughing at Pete, that really gains nothing either. He had
a
>> nicer car than 99% of the list (DEFINITELY including me here) when he
>> posted
>> his opinions.
>>
>> I don't want this to devolve into a flame war, as I've said before,
my
>> car
>> will be done when it's done and will meet my goals or it will be
redone.
>> Simple as that.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
>> To: "Jim Jobe" <jjobe2 at supratech.org>
>> Cc: "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>;
>> <Supras at supras.com>; "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)"
>> <Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
>>
>>
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jan 2, 2008 3:53 PM, Jim Jobe <jjobe2 at supratech.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I personally delivered his pistons/rods/crank to the engine
>> >> builder last night while I was over there working on the wheel
>> >> bearings for my truck and putting together tps wiring for a new
>> >> TB on one of the other cars. Still laughing now?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 03:37:53PM -0800, Jeff Mohler wrote:
>> >> > He beat me to it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Jan 2, 2008 3:37 PM, t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> > > LOL!
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: <cthommes at adelphia.net>
>> >> > > To: "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>
>> >> > > Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>; "Jeff
>> >> > > Mohler"
>> >> > > <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>; "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)"
>> >> > > <Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:24 PM
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Pete? You out there reading this???
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > -Craig
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ---- t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> This build is well beyond stock. GT4294 and ALL supporting
>> >> > > >> mods
>> >> > > >> and lots
>> >> > > >> of
>> >> > > >> bling and crazy stuff. Take too long to list it all and it
>> >> > > >> would
>> >> > > >> just
>> >> > > >> depress me.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> One example: a brand NEW set of TRD cams from the Group A
race
>> >> > > >> cars, just
>> >> > > >> wish I could find a matching pan and I might sell my
accusump.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> I'm not going to state my power goals, they're well known
to
>> >> > > >> many
>> >> > > >> here
>> >> > > >> and
>> >> > > >> the resulting mockery from 6 years ago is part of what is
>> >> > > >> motivating this
>> >> > > >> build.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >> From: "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)"
>> >> > > >> <Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov>
>> >> > > >> To: <cthommes at adelphia.net>; "t72pwrd"
<nholden1 at woh.rr.com>
>> >> > > >> Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>;
"Jeff
>> >> > > >> Mohler"
>> >> > > >> <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
>> >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:05 AM
>> >> > > >> Subject: RE: [Supras] First gear
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> 5 years of immobility? I'm hoping to here about a
>> >> > > >> carbon-ceramic
>> >> > > >> retrofit with that kind of delay...
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Horrible brakes, just need the right compound. I've been
>> >> > > >> contemplating
>> >> > > >> selling the JK BBK kit that was going to go on the car next
>> >> > > >> season.
>> >> > > >> Brian
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > >> From: cthommes at adelphia.net [mailto:cthommes at adelphia.net]
>> >> > > >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:25 PM
>> >> > > >> To: t72pwrd
>> >> > > >> Cc: Supras at supras.com; berniek at technicaldevelop.com; Jeff
>> >> > > >> Mohler;
>> >> > > >> Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)
>> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> LOL! What brakes did you go with?
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Everyone forgets how horrible the brakes are on these cars,
>> >> > > >> regardless
>> >> > > >> of fancypants supermetaleramic pads or cross-drilled
>> >> > > >> this-n-that...
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> -Craig
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> ---- t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > I ran a -60 upgraded CT for a short period of time before
>> >> > > >> > other
>> >> > > >> > issues
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > forced me to part the whole car. That SOB was a ton of
fun,
>> >> > > >> > issues
>> >> > > >> > were very similar to what Bernie is describing. Didn't
put
>> >> > > >> > many
>> >> > > >> > miles
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > on it, but bang for the buck it was a well spent $450.
Can't
>> >> > > >> > comment
>> >> > > >> > on longevity, but at that time it made more sense than
>> >> > > >> > multiple
>> >> > > >> thousands on a single upgrade.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Like Bernie has said, the car really comes to life over
3K.
>> >> > > >> > It's
>> >> > > >> > really not a bad option to get to 400, again longevity
might
>> >> > > >> > be
>> >> > > >> > an
>> >> > > >> > issue, but it is a very cost effective path.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > I went this path and regretted it, but not all will. It
IS a
>> >> > > >> > deadend
>> >> > > >> > path but it should get you 400 at the wheels.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > I just spent more on brakes than most of our cars' are
worth.
>> >> > > >> > I'm not
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > trying to boast, just want to make it clear that I have a
>> >> > > >> > different
>> >> > > >> > goal and chose a different path.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > This path has resulted in an immobile car for 5 years and
>> >> > > >> > lots
>> >> > > >> > of
>> >> > > >> > frustration.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Just think about your goals before you decide how to get
>> >> > > >> > there.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >> > From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
>> >> > > >> > To: <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
>> >> > > >> > Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; "Walker,Brian (Rich. Dist)"
>> >> > > >> > <Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
>> >> > > >> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:11 PM
>> >> > > >> > Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > > The 3K bump is typical for the CT26 housing.
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > Im waiting for the "broke da turbo" post..youre asking
a
>> >> > > >> > > lot
>> >> > > >> > > at 20
>> >> > > >> > > psi on that thing (manifold boost + loss).
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > On Dec 29, 2007 6:07 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
>> >> > > >> > > <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > >> Jim:
>> >> > > >> > >>
>> >> > > >> > >>
>> >> > > >> > >> I don't have any idea how much power the engine is
>> >> > > >> > >> making.
>> >> > > >> > >> I'll get it dynoed after 750-1000 miles. Not clipping
the
>> >> > > >> > >> turbine
>> >> > > >> > >> but opening up the wastegate port instead may be
>> >> > > >> > >> responsible
>> >> > > >> > >> for
>> >> > > >> > >> the explosive onset of torque at 3000 RPM. But it
>> >> > > >> > >> sometimes
>> >> > > >> > >> will
>> >> > > >> > >> start to do the same in second, although it is just a
>> >> > > >> > >> little
>> >> > > >> > >> tire
>> >> > > >> > >> hopping at about 4500-5000 RPM. Suspension is stock.
>> >> > > >> > >> This
>> >> > > >> > >> car
>> >> > > >> > >> will be an INFREQUENT daily driver, so with the
exception
>> >> > > >> > >> of
>> >> > > >> > >> brakes
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > >> from Jeff in the summer, the suspension, etc. will
stay
>> >> > > >> > >> pretty much
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > >> as is. I did scare myself a couple of times. The GTO
was
>> >> > > >> > >> gone 37
>> >> > > >> > >> years ago. The Firebird with the BB Chevy has been in
>> >> > > >> > >> wait
>> >> > > >> > >> of
>> >> > > >> > >> exterior restoration for 10 years (including a
carburetor
>> >> > > >> > >> rebuild.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > >> Holleys have vertical cork gaskets that shrink like
magic.
>> >> > > >> > >>
>> >> > > >> > >>
>> >> > > >> > >> Bernie
>> >> > > >> > >>
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>> >> > > >> > >
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>> >> > >
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