[Supras] First gear

[Jim Jobe]

Ahh, ol' Mech.  Last I heard he was working for the Butterbaugh's
but "The Zeb" went under long ago.

The Mech hot sauce experience was hilarious tho.

On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 07:57:00PM -0500, t72pwrd wrote:
> alright, I'm just surprisingly thin skinned about this whole subject. 
> Unusual for me, but a fact.  Pete's name still gets under my skin and he 
> had a nice car!!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> To: "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>
> Cc: "Jim Jobe" <jjobe2 at supratech.org>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>; 
> <Supras at supras.com>; "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)" 
> <Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
> 
> 
> >Oh I know..im just having fun with list history..thats all.
> >
> >Who im STILL laughing at, is Scott Mech after his hot sauce experiment.
> >
> >On Jan 2, 2008 4:44 PM, t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >>If you're laughing at me, please continue.  I knew I shouldn't have even
> >>responded to Brian.
> >>
> >>If you're laughing at Pete, that really gains nothing either.  He had a
> >>nicer car than 99% of the list (DEFINITELY including me here) when he 
> >>posted
> >>his opinions.
> >>
> >>I don't want this to devolve into a flame war, as I've said before, my 
> >>car
> >>will be done when it's done and will meet my goals or it will be redone.
> >>Simple as that.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> >>To: "Jim Jobe" <jjobe2 at supratech.org>
> >>Cc: "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>;
> >><Supras at supras.com>; "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)"
> >><Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
> >>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:00 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 2, 2008 3:53 PM, Jim Jobe <jjobe2 at supratech.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I personally delivered his pistons/rods/crank to the engine
> >>>> builder last night while I was over there working on the wheel
> >>>> bearings for my truck and putting together tps wiring for a new
> >>>> TB on one of the other cars.  Still laughing now?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 03:37:53PM -0800, Jeff Mohler wrote:
> >>>> > He beat me to it.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Jan 2, 2008 3:37 PM, t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > LOL!
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > > From: <cthommes at adelphia.net>
> >>>> > > To: "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>
> >>>> > > Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>; "Jeff
> >>>> > > Mohler"
> >>>> > > <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>; "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)"
> >>>> > > <Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov>
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:24 PM
> >>>> > > Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > > Pete?  You out there reading this???
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > -Craig
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > ---- t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > >> This build is well beyond stock.  GT4294 and ALL supporting 
> >>>> > > >> mods
> >>>> > > >> and lots
> >>>> > > >> of
> >>>> > > >> bling and crazy stuff.  Take too long to list it all and it 
> >>>> > > >> would
> >>>> > > >> just
> >>>> > > >> depress me.
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> One example: a brand NEW set of TRD cams from the Group A race
> >>>> > > >> cars, just
> >>>> > > >> wish I could find a matching pan and I might sell my accusump.
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> I'm not going to state my power goals, they're well known to 
> >>>> > > >> many
> >>>> > > >> here
> >>>> > > >> and
> >>>> > > >> the resulting mockery from 6 years ago is part of what is
> >>>> > > >> motivating this
> >>>> > > >> build.
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > > >> From: "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)"
> >>>> > > >> <Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov>
> >>>> > > >> To: <cthommes at adelphia.net>; "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>
> >>>> > > >> Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>; "Jeff
> >>>> > > >> Mohler"
> >>>> > > >> <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> >>>> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:05 AM
> >>>> > > >> Subject: RE: [Supras] First gear
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> 5 years of immobility? I'm hoping to here about a 
> >>>> > > >> carbon-ceramic
> >>>> > > >> retrofit with that kind of delay...
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> Horrible brakes, just need the right compound. I've been
> >>>> > > >> contemplating
> >>>> > > >> selling the JK BBK kit that was going to go on the car next
> >>>> > > >> season.
> >>>> > > >> Brian
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> > > >> From: cthommes at adelphia.net [mailto:cthommes at adelphia.net]
> >>>> > > >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:25 PM
> >>>> > > >> To: t72pwrd
> >>>> > > >> Cc: Supras at supras.com; berniek at technicaldevelop.com; Jeff 
> >>>> > > >> Mohler;
> >>>> > > >> Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)
> >>>> > > >> Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> LOL!  What brakes did you go with?
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> Everyone forgets how horrible the brakes are on these cars,
> >>>> > > >> regardless
> >>>> > > >> of fancypants supermetaleramic pads or cross-drilled
> >>>> > > >> this-n-that...
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> -Craig
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> ---- t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > >> > I ran a -60 upgraded CT for a short period of time before 
> >>>> > > >> > other
> >>>> > > >> > issues
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> > forced me to part the whole car.  That SOB was a ton of fun,
> >>>> > > >> > issues
> >>>> > > >> > were very similar to what Bernie is describing.  Didn't put 
> >>>> > > >> > many
> >>>> > > >> > miles
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> > on it, but bang for the buck it was a well spent $450.  Can't
> >>>> > > >> > comment
> >>>> > > >> > on longevity, but at that time it made more sense than 
> >>>> > > >> > multiple
> >>>> > > >> thousands on a single upgrade.
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> > Like Bernie has said, the car really comes to life over 3K.
> >>>> > > >> > It's
> >>>> > > >> > really not a bad option to get to 400, again longevity might 
> >>>> > > >> > be
> >>>> > > >> > an
> >>>> > > >> > issue, but it is a very cost effective path.
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> > I went this path and regretted it, but not all will.  It IS a
> >>>> > > >> > deadend
> >>>> > > >> > path but it should get you 400 at the wheels.
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> > I just spent more on brakes than most of our cars' are worth.
> >>>> > > >> > I'm not
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> > trying to boast, just want to make it clear that I have a
> >>>> > > >> > different
> >>>> > > >> > goal and chose a different path.
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> > This path has resulted in an immobile car for 5 years and 
> >>>> > > >> > lots
> >>>> > > >> > of
> >>>> > > >> > frustration.
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> > Just think about your goals before you decide how to get 
> >>>> > > >> > there.
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > > >> > From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> >>>> > > >> > To: <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
> >>>> > > >> > Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; "Walker,Brian (Rich. Dist)"
> >>>> > > >> > <Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
> >>>> > > >> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:11 PM
> >>>> > > >> > Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> >
> >>>> > > >> > > The 3K bump is typical for the CT26 housing.
> >>>> > > >> > >
> >>>> > > >> > > Im waiting for the "broke da turbo" post..youre asking a 
> >>>> > > >> > > lot
> >>>> > > >> > > at 20
> >>>> > > >> > > psi on that thing (manifold boost + loss).
> >>>> > > >> > >
> >>>> > > >> > > On Dec 29, 2007 6:07 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
> >>>> > > >> > > <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > >> > >> Jim:
> >>>> > > >> > >>
> >>>> > > >> > >>
> >>>> > > >> > >>     I don't have any idea how much power the engine is
> >>>> > > >> > >> making.
> >>>> > > >> > >> I'll get it dynoed after 750-1000 miles.  Not clipping the
> >>>> > > >> > >> turbine
> >>>> > > >> > >> but opening up the wastegate port instead may be 
> >>>> > > >> > >> responsible
> >>>> > > >> > >> for
> >>>> > > >> > >> the explosive onset of torque at 3000 RPM.  But it 
> >>>> > > >> > >> sometimes
> >>>> > > >> > >> will
> >>>> > > >> > >> start to do the same in second, although it is just a 
> >>>> > > >> > >> little
> >>>> > > >> > >> tire
> >>>> > > >> > >> hopping at about 4500-5000 RPM.  Suspension is stock. 
> >>>> > > >> > >> This
> >>>> > > >> > >> car
> >>>> > > >> > >> will be an INFREQUENT daily driver, so with the exception 
> >>>> > > >> > >> of
> >>>> > > >> > >> brakes
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> > >> from Jeff in the summer, the suspension, etc. will stay
> >>>> > > >> > >> pretty much
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> > >> as is.  I did scare myself a couple of times.  The GTO was
> >>>> > > >> > >> gone 37
> >>>> > > >> > >> years ago.  The Firebird with the BB Chevy has been in 
> >>>> > > >> > >> wait
> >>>> > > >> > >> of
> >>>> > > >> > >> exterior restoration for 10 years (including a carburetor
> >>>> > > >> > >> rebuild.
> >>>> > > >>
> >>>> > > >> > >> Holleys have vertical cork gaskets that shrink like magic.
> >>>> > > >> > >>
> >>>> > > >> > >>
> >>>> > > >> > >>     Bernie
> >>>> > > >> > >>
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