[Supras] First gear

t72pwrd nholden1 at woh.rr.com
Wed Jan 2 18:44:51 CST 2008 

If you're laughing at me, please continue.  I knew I shouldn't have even 
responded to Brian.

If you're laughing at Pete, that really gains nothing either.  He had a 
nicer car than 99% of the list (DEFINITELY including me here) when he posted 
his opinions.

I don't want this to devolve into a flame war, as I've said before, my car 
will be done when it's done and will meet my goals or it will be redone. 
Simple as that.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
To: "Jim Jobe" <jjobe2 at supratech.org>
Cc: "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>; 
<Supras at supras.com>; "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)" 
<Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear


> Yes.
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 3:53 PM, Jim Jobe <jjobe2 at supratech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I personally delivered his pistons/rods/crank to the engine
>> builder last night while I was over there working on the wheel
>> bearings for my truck and putting together tps wiring for a new
>> TB on one of the other cars.  Still laughing now?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 03:37:53PM -0800, Jeff Mohler wrote:
>> > He beat me to it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jan 2, 2008 3:37 PM, t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> > > LOL!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: <cthommes at adelphia.net>
>> > > To: "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>
>> > > Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>; "Jeff 
>> > > Mohler"
>> > > <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>; "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)"
>> > > <Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov>
>> > >
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:24 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Pete?  You out there reading this???
>> > > >
>> > > > -Craig
>> > > >
>> > > > ---- t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> > > >> This build is well beyond stock.  GT4294 and ALL supporting mods 
>> > > >> and lots
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> bling and crazy stuff.  Take too long to list it all and it would 
>> > > >> just
>> > > >> depress me.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> One example: a brand NEW set of TRD cams from the Group A race 
>> > > >> cars, just
>> > > >> wish I could find a matching pan and I might sell my accusump.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I'm not going to state my power goals, they're well known to many 
>> > > >> here
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> the resulting mockery from 6 years ago is part of what is 
>> > > >> motivating this
>> > > >> build.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> From: "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)" 
>> > > >> <Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov>
>> > > >> To: <cthommes at adelphia.net>; "t72pwrd" <nholden1 at woh.rr.com>
>> > > >> Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>; "Jeff 
>> > > >> Mohler"
>> > > >> <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
>> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:05 AM
>> > > >> Subject: RE: [Supras] First gear
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 5 years of immobility? I'm hoping to here about a carbon-ceramic
>> > > >> retrofit with that kind of delay...
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Horrible brakes, just need the right compound. I've been 
>> > > >> contemplating
>> > > >> selling the JK BBK kit that was going to go on the car next 
>> > > >> season.
>> > > >> Brian
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> From: cthommes at adelphia.net [mailto:cthommes at adelphia.net]
>> > > >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:25 PM
>> > > >> To: t72pwrd
>> > > >> Cc: Supras at supras.com; berniek at technicaldevelop.com; Jeff Mohler;
>> > > >> Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)
>> > > >> Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
>> > > >>
>> > > >> LOL!  What brakes did you go with?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Everyone forgets how horrible the brakes are on these cars, 
>> > > >> regardless
>> > > >> of fancypants supermetaleramic pads or cross-drilled 
>> > > >> this-n-that...
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -Craig
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ---- t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > I ran a -60 upgraded CT for a short period of time before other 
>> > > >> > issues
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > forced me to part the whole car.  That SOB was a ton of fun, 
>> > > >> > issues
>> > > >> > were very similar to what Bernie is describing.  Didn't put many 
>> > > >> > miles
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > on it, but bang for the buck it was a well spent $450.  Can't 
>> > > >> > comment
>> > > >> > on longevity, but at that time it made more sense than multiple
>> > > >> thousands on a single upgrade.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Like Bernie has said, the car really comes to life over 3K. 
>> > > >> > It's
>> > > >> > really not a bad option to get to 400, again longevity might be 
>> > > >> > an
>> > > >> > issue, but it is a very cost effective path.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I went this path and regretted it, but not all will.  It IS a 
>> > > >> > deadend
>> > > >> > path but it should get you 400 at the wheels.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I just spent more on brakes than most of our cars' are worth. 
>> > > >> > I'm not
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > trying to boast, just want to make it clear that I have a 
>> > > >> > different
>> > > >> > goal and chose a different path.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > This path has resulted in an immobile car for 5 years and lots 
>> > > >> > of
>> > > >> > frustration.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Just think about your goals before you decide how to get there.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> > From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
>> > > >> > To: <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
>> > > >> > Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; "Walker,Brian (Rich. Dist)"
>> > > >> > <Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
>> > > >> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:11 PM
>> > > >> > Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > The 3K bump is typical for the CT26 housing.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Im waiting for the "broke da turbo" post..youre asking a lot 
>> > > >> > > at 20
>> > > >> > > psi on that thing (manifold boost + loss).
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > On Dec 29, 2007 6:07 PM, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
>> > > >> > > <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > >> Jim:
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>     I don't have any idea how much power the engine is 
>> > > >> > >> making.
>> > > >> > >> I'll get it dynoed after 750-1000 miles.  Not clipping the 
>> > > >> > >> turbine
>> > > >> > >> but opening up the wastegate port instead may be responsible 
>> > > >> > >> for
>> > > >> > >> the explosive onset of torque at 3000 RPM.  But it sometimes 
>> > > >> > >> will
>> > > >> > >> start to do the same in second, although it is just a little 
>> > > >> > >> tire
>> > > >> > >> hopping at about 4500-5000 RPM.  Suspension is stock.  This 
>> > > >> > >> car
>> > > >> > >> will be an INFREQUENT daily driver, so with the exception of 
>> > > >> > >> brakes
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > >> from Jeff in the summer, the suspension, etc. will stay 
>> > > >> > >> pretty much
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > >> as is.  I did scare myself a couple of times.  The GTO was 
>> > > >> > >> gone 37
>> > > >> > >> years ago.  The Firebird with the BB Chevy has been in wait 
>> > > >> > >> of
>> > > >> > >> exterior restoration for 10 years (including a carburetor 
>> > > >> > >> rebuild.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > >> Holleys have vertical cork gaskets that shrink like magic.
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>     Bernie
>> > > >> > >>
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