[Supras] First gear

Wed Jan 2 12:02:42 CST 2008

So, what is it you qualify as "real research"?
I've *personally* been through about 12 different brake setups of various scopes on a mk3 over the past 10 years, starting from stock, to different pad/rotor upgrades, to mk4 TT fronts, to a JK kit with MK4 rears, and now 14" BBK's front and rear, none of them being acceptable IMO until the latter.  And yes, aesthetics are a not-insignificant factor... 18" wheels over 11" brakes?  No thanks.

I guess everyone has their own perspective.  As much as you berate the Lexus/550 "hack", it too gets people 90% of what people want as opposed to other more costly approaches...  

-Craig

---- Speedtoys <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote: 
> You can do 90% of what people want from a BBK with _just pads_ .   
> People need to stop trusting the flashy adds in the back of magazines  
> like Turbo and do some real research.
> 
> 
> Got brakes?
> ======
> 25hrs or one season with one pad set is possible.  Save money and pit  
> time, compromise nothing.  Ask how.
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> 
> On Dec 31, 2007, at 4:30 PM, <cthommes at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, but an improvement over absolute crap then only becomes less  
> > crap.
> >
> > Trust me, you won't know a *real* difference unless you get some  
> > *real* brakes.
> >
> > -Craig
> >
> > ---- sprigmo1 <sprigmo1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Gotta agree with Jeff about the pads!!  I have a set
> >> of EBC reds installedon my 92.  Got them from a buddy
> >> of mine that decided on Portefields instead.  Imagine
> >> That?!?!? LOL
> >> The EBC pads were nite and day compared to the
> >> MetalMasters I had on. Big improvement! And that was
> >> at 380rwhp.  I drove my buddies car with his
> >> porterfields and all I can say is, before I put my car
> >> back on the road after this rebuild I will own a set
> >> front and rear.
> >> Malik
> >> --- Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ah..but you -can- do a lot with just pads..trust me.
> >>>
> >>> Theres zero magic in rotors, its all pads.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 31, 2007 12:24 PM,  <cthommes at adelphia.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> LOL!  What brakes did you go with?
> >>>>
> >>>> Everyone forgets how horrible the brakes are on
> >>> these cars, regardless of fancypants
> >>> supermetaleramic pads or cross-drilled
> >>> this-n-that...
> >>>>
> >>>> -Craig
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ---- t72pwrd <nholden1 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I ran a -60 upgraded CT for a short period of
> >>> time before other issues
> >>>>> forced me to part the whole car.  That SOB was a
> >>> ton of fun, issues were
> >>>>> very similar to what Bernie is describing.
> >>> Didn't put many miles on it, but
> >>>>> bang for the buck it was a well spent $450.
> >>> Can't comment on longevity, but
> >>>>> at that time it made more sense than multiple
> >>> thousands on a single upgrade.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like Bernie has said, the car really comes to
> >>> life over 3K.  It's really not
> >>>>> a bad option to get to 400, again longevity
> >>> might be an issue, but it is a
> >>>>> very cost effective path.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I went this path and regretted it, but not all
> >>> will.  It IS a deadend path
> >>>>> but it should get you 400 at the wheels.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just spent more on brakes than most of our
> >>> cars' are worth.  I'm not
> >>>>> trying to boast, just want to make it clear that
> >>> I have a different goal and
> >>>>> chose a different path.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This path has resulted in an immobile car for 5
> >>> years and lots of
> >>>>> frustration.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just think about your goals before you decide
> >>> how to get there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
> >>>>> Cc: <Supras at supras.com>; "Walker,Brian (Rich.
> >>> Dist)"
> >>>>> <Brian.Walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:11 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Supras] First gear
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The 3K bump is typical for the CT26 housing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Im waiting for the "broke da turbo"
> >>> post..youre asking a lot at 20 psi
> >>>>>> on that thing (manifold boost + loss).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2007 6:07 PM,
> >>> berniek at technicaldevelop.com
> >>>>>> <berniek at technicaldevelop.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Jim:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    I don't have any idea how much power the
> >>> engine is making.  I'll get
> >>>>>>> it dynoed after 750-1000 miles.  Not clipping
> >>> the turbine but opening up
> >>>>>>> the wastegate port instead may be responsible
> >>> for the explosive onset of
> >>>>>>> torque at 3000 RPM.  But it sometimes will
> >>> start to do the same in
> >>>>>>> second, although it is just a little tire
> >>> hopping at about 4500-5000
> >>>>>>> RPM.  Suspension is stock.  This car will be
> >>> an INFREQUENT daily driver,
> >>>>>>> so with the exception of brakes from Jeff in
> >>> the summer, the suspension,
> >>>>>>> etc. will stay pretty much as is.  I did
> >>> scare myself a couple of
> >>>>>>> times.  The GTO was gone 37 years ago.  The
> >>> Firebird with the BB Chevy
> >>>>>>> has been in wait of exterior restoration for
> >>> 10 years (including a
> >>>>>>> carburetor rebuild.  Holleys have vertical
> >>> cork gaskets that shrink like
> >>>>>>> magic.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    Bernie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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