[Supras] Toyota Future Supra?
jason estell
metaphysico at hotmail.com
Thu Sep 13 08:46:58 CDT 2007
This was the original concept for the supra then it went to lexus.
http://www.lexus.com/fcv/lf_a.html The volta was originaly thought told to
be the supra replacement by motor trend and they got in trouble for stating
it was. The ft-hs is the next replacement for the supra but now it will
have a v6 hybrid (still very potent engine), But as of yet no word on a
turbo uprade. Personaly I like the LF-a better but the top is a nice touch
on the FT-HS. BTW the LF-A is going to have a V12 package.
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> 1. Re: PS reservoir lines? (Hacker J)
> 2. Fwd: Toyota Future Supra? (sprigmo1)
> 3. Re: Anyone have any issues with the Exide Sub (Hacker J)
> 4. Re: Chrome moly flywheel (berniek at technicaldevelop.com)
> 5. Re: emission test standards (berniek at technicaldevelop.com)
> 6. Re: MSD spark retarder and piggybacks
> (berniek at technicaldevelop.com)
> 7. Re: spark retard and fuel management devices
> (berniek at technicaldevelop.com)
> 8. Re: Lightened steel/chromoly flywheels? (Glen K)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:54:44 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Hacker J <jonbhacker at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Supras] PS reservoir lines?
>To: supras at supras.com
>Message-ID: <753952.56769.qm at web35211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
>You mean the short one between reservoir and pump?
>
>Official name is Hose, Oil Reservoir To Pump, #1
>
>Part number is 44348-14120
>
>If not, look here and you can find what you need yourself.
>http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/EPC/291420/catalog.aspx?F=4503&P=1
>
>Jon
>90T
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>
>
>Does anyone know the technical name of the lager line from the PS fluid
>reservoir? I've checked on the parts catalog and it lists the 'return
>line' which I suspected would be the larger dia. line but instead was
>the smaller line. They also list a 'high pressure line' but I was
>assuming these went from the pump to the rack. I've had a small leak for
>sometime where PS fluid will spray onto the area beneath the PS
>reservoir, it appears to be coming from the larger line from the
>reservoir (possibly near the connection as the hose is older and
>brittle) Is there a single line from the reservoir to the pump? It
>doesn't seem that it could be a high pressure line as it is held with a
>spring clamp.
>
>Thanks for any help,
>Brian
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:59:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: sprigmo1 <sprigmo1 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Supras] Fwd: Toyota Future Supra?
>To: car club <supras at supras.com>, jbarnes2696 at hotmail.com, cory
> mcclintock <cemcclintock at yahoo.com>
>Message-ID: <803159.19614.qm at web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>And look what I
>found!http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0706_2009_toyota_ft_hs/
>
>--- Kirk Schmidt <kihap at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > From: "Kirk Schmidt" <kihap at nc.rr.com>
> > To: "S.O.G.I." <supras at supras.com>
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:49:59 -0400
> > Subject: [Supras] Toyota Future Supra?
> >
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> > Check out Toyota's forward thinking!
> >
> > http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/volta.html
> >
> > Kirk
> > '87T
> > Orig. owner
> > 190k
> > 3" HKS DP
> > K & N Fipk
> > 3" R/T Cat Back
> > Shimmed WG @9lbs
> > TurboXs Duel Stage Boost Controller @14lbs
> > HKS Fuel Cut Defencer
> > 7.5" 3-pc Alloy wheels
> > 245/45/zx16's all fours
> >
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> Malik
> It Ain't Eazy Being Me!!!!
> 92Trbo Supra 367whp
> 92 Supra Turbo Targa,
>RC Engineering 560 injectors, Blitz peek hold
> device, Apexi Super AFC, Apexi AVC-R, HKS
> Timing Gears, Turbonetics CT-26 upgraded
> turbo, K&N FIPKE, catch can modification,
>RPS Turbo clutch, Apexi N1 Exhaust, Paisley
> downpipe, Random Technology High flow
> CAT, AEM UEGO Wideband 02 Unit, CSF
> Aluminum 52mm Race radiator, Walbro
> Racing Fuel Pump, Aeromotive AFPR,
> Horsepower Freaks 700hp custom Supra
> intercooler and hardpipes, Greddy bov, HKS
> 3000Pipe
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:05:23 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Hacker J <jonbhacker at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Supras] Anyone have any issues with the Exide Sub
>To: supras at supras.com
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>
>I would agree. There are some fusible links in the path that can blow
>without being obvious. Also, the IGN and ENGINE fuses need to be good to
>get the alternator to work. I would check the multi-pin connector at the
>alternator. Those wires see heat and flexing and will break over time.
>Once they break, the alternator will not charge, even if the big main wire
>is good.
>
>Quick check is to measure voltage with engine off. Should be around 12.5 -
>12.8 Volts.
>
>Next, check that the 'battery' idiot light comes on the dash when you turn
>the ignition on. That's another check for the alternator wiring.
>
>Finally, start the car, and the voltage should jump up to 13.9 - 15.1V at
>25degC, and remain stable over rpm and electrical load. Turn the lights on
>and see if it stays in the correct range. Shouldn't take more than 5
>minutes to check if you have a voltmeter handy.
>
>Jon
>90T
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>
>
>
> > Sure sounds like some sort of electrical gremlin drawing current. Even
> > with my little Braille battery I can let the car sit for 2 weeks
> > without need for a charge, that's about the limit though which is to
> > be expected for a battery smaller than that on my mower (11 lb.) :)
>
>Reading Mike's post carefully, you'll see that leaving the car with the
>ignition off isn't a problem.
> It can be left for an extended period of time, and it'll start next
>time... It's after DRIVING for
>a while, it'll start draining.
>
>This really seems like the charging system isn't doing its job.
>
>The alternator checks out, so it should be okay. One assumes that the
>alternator is adequately
>rounded. :) The alternator fuse seems to be okay. (I've seen it. :) )
>
>I still think it may be an idea to buy that ammeter at Princess Auto. It'll
>at least tell you when
>the battery is discharging. It may be only at idle, and you're spending
>time with the engine at too
>low RPM... Difficult to believe from my experience in the passenger seat.
>:) But it will tell you
>under what conditions the battery is draining.
>
>Replacing the battery cables is a reasonable next step as well. The ground
>cable particularly is
>known for being problematic.
>
>Dan Gyoba
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:13:46 -0400
>From: "berniek at technicaldevelop.com" <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
>Subject: Re: [Supras] Chrome moly flywheel
>To: Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov, "Supras at supras.com"
> <Supras at supras.com>
>Message-ID: <46E72F3A.9040601 at technicaldevelop.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>Brian:
>
> They are made, and I have one in my '91T which is still going
>together (too slowly). I don't know if I have the receipt or not, but I
>do know it was Japanese. The starter pinion teeth and friction surface
>are integral with the flywheel. I checked static balance of it by
>making a shaft to fit the ID of a standard 6203 ball bearing. The
>bearing OD was just a few thou less than the flywheel center hole, so I
>was able to use shim stock to lightly press fit the bearing outer race
>into the flywheel. I put the shaft, with the bearing and flywheel in a
>vise, and found that the flywheel did not have a heavy spot (I balance
>motorcycle tires the same way). Bolting on the Exedy clutch I bought
>changed that picture completely. At that point I took the assembly to a
>dynamic balancing shop.
>
> A Google search on "chrome moly flywheel" comes up with many
>choices. I understand from the very competent mechanic who surfaced my
>head and block, and who build race engines that it is a much better
>choice than aluminum. I did not ask why. I had Hays aluminum flywheels
>in the past for American cars and they always required balancing. They
>original came with bronze facings, riveted on, which wore the disc out
>quickly. I got a steel replacement insert, installed it, and there were
>no more problems. It may be that in racing use, the bolts or dowel
>holes elongate or become loose quickly.
>
> Bernie
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:32:44 -0400
>From: "berniek at technicaldevelop.com" <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
>Subject: Re: [Supras] emission test standards
>To: Rockey Fox <supr91tt at yahoo.com>
>Cc: Supras at supras.com
>Message-ID: <46E741BC.6020104 at technicaldevelop.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>Rocky:
>
> The NJ standards are as follows for cars of '91 vintage:
>
>NOx: 1077 PPM
>HC: 144 PPM
>CO: 0.81%
>
> Do you happen to know your standards?
>
> Before I tore down my '91 to replace the HG as a preventative
>measure, my results with the stock dual cat system were 103 for HC, 0.27
>for CO, and 1063 for NOx. The EGR might not have been working
>properly. But as matters would have it, I found that #1 piston did not
>come up to the deck (down about .110"), so a bent connecting rod was
>evident. So I have about another 20 hours worth of work to complete a
>freshened JDM installation with a Cometic HG, 550 injectors, Lex AFM, 57
>trim turbo, and as yet undetermined means of leaning out the top end
>under boost and possibly retarding the spark about 7 degrees from 7 to
>15 PSI boost.
>
> The truth is I'm getting a little nervous about passing CO and HC
>with the 550 and Lex even with the stock dual cats. The duty cycle of
>the injectors will be about 20% shorter at idle. If the injectors are a
>little unbalanced, HC goes up dramatically with even the slightest
>misfire, and CO goes up with one richer cylinder.
>
> Bernie
>
>Rockey Fox wrote:
> > I don't know if NJ is tighter on emissions than GA but my 3" downpipe
> > with a single 3" cat from Random technologies passed GA emissions
> > without issue prior to the engine rebuild a couple of years back. I
> > live one county beyond the emissions required zone of metro-Atlanta
> > now so no recent information. Basically stock setup with FIPK, 440's
> > and at that time stock ct-26 with the 3" turbo back exhaust.
> >
> > Rockey 91T
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "berniek at technicaldevelop.com" <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
> > To: wwt3198 at yahoo.com
> > Cc: Supras at supras.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:27:36 AM
> > Subject: [Supras] (no subject)
> >
> > Wade:
> >
> > Yes, I did read your last mail, and will strongly consider a bigger
> > turbo-back system, but NJ is a pain in the butt with exhaust emissions.
>I
> > wonder if a large downpipe and large single cat would do the job.
>Anyone
> > know?
> >
> > Thanks for the info on the MSD retarder. I'll look into it. But from
> > what you say, it seems essentially unnecessary. Does the ECU "learn" a
> > new retard curve? Different gas qualities found around the world would
> > seem to indicate this.
> >
> > What type of Piggyback is most popular for taking out top end richness
>in
> > the Lex-550 setup? Any ideas for the most popular downpipe and big cat?
> > I already have an 80 mm cat-back HKS systemI also have a 57 trim turbo.
> >
> > Any and all help and thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> > BernieK
> >
> > Wade Tobin Wrote:
> > -------------------
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:59:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Wade Tobin <wwt3198 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Supras] Spark retard and top end fuel redux
> > To: supras at supras.com
> > Message-ID: <908299.23720.qm at web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > That's some interesting reading but perhaps you're going into this a bit
> > deeper than
> > necessary.:) There's dozens and dozens of 7m's running around w/ Lexus
> > AFMs, 550s,
> > piggybacks and no problems. Been using a Lexus AFM/550s since 02 on the
> > same engine
> > which came from a junkyard (140k miles). The car has made 420rwhp on
>the
> > dyno 50
> > passes on the track both 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile. About 20 of those
>passes
> > were over
> > 17psi. Best time was a 12.4 @ 117.
> >
> > Don't know if you got my last email Bernie, but running the stock CT26
> > elbow, DP
> > and both cats is an area I'd far more concerned with than Lexus AFM
>tech.
> > Surely,
> > a choked up exhaust will cause higher EGTs and detonation, Lexus AFM
> > or not.
> > Also, a big intercooler is also a good idea. The stock MK3 exhaust and
> > intercooler = garbage.
> >
> > Your absolutely correct about the ECU not retarding the timing w/ the
> > Lexus. MSD
> > sells a boost timing retarder box for your needs. I don't run one.
> >
> > -wt
> >
> >
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>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:39:50 -0400
>From: "berniek at technicaldevelop.com" <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
>Subject: Re: [Supras] MSD spark retarder and piggybacks
>To: wwt3198 at yahoo.com, "Supras at supras.com" <Supras at supras.com>
>Message-ID: <46E75176.1040400 at technicaldevelop.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>Wade:
>
> The MSD retarder works by retarding timing only by one present
>amount (adjustable to 8 or 10 degrees maximum retard) once 12V is
>applied to it via a manifold pressure switch or other 12V switching
>device. It is adjustable in 0.1 degree increments but only offers a
>fixed level of retard, in on-off fashion.
>
> I'll be using 550cc injectors, Lexus AFM, Walbro pump and a 57 trim
>CT26, and have the objective of 15 PSI boost. As stated in the post
>just submitted to Rocky and you, NJ emission limits are stringent, but I
>do have an 80mm HKS cat-back system. If and when NJ removes chassis
>dynos, a freer exhaust will be a first move.
>
> Looking for continuously changing retard and fuel takeout devices
>with front panel controls proved fruitless. Apparently the only way to
>really do the job with purchased devices is to have the time to build
>your own fuel and spark advance maps with a laptop in the car. I wish I
>had the time to install the various pieces, do the tuning, but do not.
>So, I'll let the knock sensors modify the spark retard ECU mapping under
>boost (must be built-in, to cover differences in fuels world-wide). At
>first I'll live with the excessive top end richness. I have a pump
>suitable for water injection, but will not have the time to install it
>first. If anyone remembers the McMaster spray nozzle number for this,
>I'd appreciate knowing it.
>
> Now for the crazy but seemingly logical part, based on simplicity:
>Later, I can use a simple ball and spring boost controller to bleed high
>boost from the vacuum line to atmosphere at the FPR to taper off the
>boost seen by the diaphragm of the FPR. That will cut back fuel at WOT
>and high boost by lowering the diaphragm pressure slightly. There will
>be enough friction loss in the hoses to and from VSV2 to act as a
>restriction for the "relief valve" to work. I'm relocating both VSV2
>and the EGR VSV to above the intake manifold (freshened engine is now in
>car with 57 trim turbo, but with only the lower intake manifold. Still
>need to install quite a few parts, so relocation is easy). Tuning with
>higher than stock boost will be done with a wideband, stock O2 sensor
>with extended endpoint LED readout, or an EGT setup.
>
> I'd be very curious if anyone has removed excessive boost fuel by
>slightly lowering fuel pressure as just described. If nutzoid, there is
>a good sanitarium less than 10 miles away.
>
> Bernie
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:59:58 -0400
>From: "berniek at technicaldevelop.com" <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
>Subject: Re: [Supras] spark retard and fuel management devices
>To: Jim Jobe <jjobe2 at supratech.org>
>Cc: Supras at supras.com
>Message-ID: <46E7562E.3080109 at technicaldevelop.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Jim:
>
> First, I'm going to double space paragraphs with Mozilla
>Thunderbird. The damn program is better than Outlook, but it compresses
>text when sent.
>
> MSD makes a 4 channel unit which will work with the MkIII wasted
>spark system (one channel not used). Trouble is that it retards by a
>settable fixed amount, triggered by application of 12V to it from a
>pressure switch, etc.
>
> Good to understand the ECU learns from the knock sensors. At 15 PSI
>boost, the retard should be about 7 degrees more than the most retard at
>stock boost. The ECU will interpret 15 PSIG boost as about 7 PSIG boost
>due to the larger size of the Lex AFM (based on absolute pressure
>calculation).
>
>
> I'll take another look into the Apexi and Maft stuff you mention,
>but those seem like an awful lot of work to reduce the 9:1 A/F at high
>boost to something like 11.5:1, or leaner with water injection. Time is
>precious with work and other commitments that take up about 70 hours per
>week.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bernie
>
>Jim Jobe wrote:
> > MSD unit will not work due to the multiplex ignition signal,
> > that is unless you want to run three of them.
> >
> > The ECU has some learning capabilities around ignition related
> > knocking.
> >
> > Suggest the Apexi Super AFC to lean it out. If you can swing
> > it by NJ emissions, the Maft or Maft-Pro units are excellent.
> > E-manage might be another solution for you since I believe it
> > can use the stock (or lexus) afm.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 09:27:36AM -0400, berniek at technicaldevelop.com
>wrote:
> >
> >> Wade:
> >>
> >> Yes, I did read your last mail, and will strongly consider a bigger
> >> turbo-back system, but NJ is a pain in the butt with exhaust emissions.
> I
> >> wonder if a large downpipe and large single cat would do the job.
>Anyone
> >> know?
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info on the MSD retarder. I'll look into it. But from
> >> what you say, it seems essentially unnecessary. Does the ECU "learn" a
> >> new retard curve? Different gas qualities found around the world would
> >> seem to indicate this.
> >>
> >> What type of Piggyback is most popular for taking out top end richness
>in
> >> the Lex-550 setup? Any ideas for the most popular downpipe and big
>cat?
> >> I already have an 80 mm cat-back HKS systemI also have a 57 trim turbo.
> >>
> >> Any and all help and thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
> >>
> >> BernieK
> >>
> >> Wade Tobin Wrote:
> >> -------------------
> >> Message: 7
> >> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:59:50 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: Wade Tobin <wwt3198 at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Supras] Spark retard and top end fuel redux
> >> To: supras at supras.com
> >> Message-ID: <908299.23720.qm at web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >>
> >> That's some interesting reading but perhaps you're going into this a
>bit
> >> deeper than
> >> necessary.:) There's dozens and dozens of 7m's running around w/ Lexus
> >> AFMs, 550s,
> >> piggybacks and no problems. Been using a Lexus AFM/550s since 02 on
>the
> >> same engine
> >> which came from a junkyard (140k miles). The car has made 420rwhp on
>the
> >> dyno 50
> >> passes on the track both 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile. About 20 of those
>passes
> >> were over
> >> 17psi. Best time was a 12.4 @ 117.
> >>
> >> Don't know if you got my last email Bernie, but running the stock
>CT26
> >> elbow, DP
> >> and both cats is an area I'd far more concerned with than Lexus AFM
>tech.
> >> Surely,
> >> a choked up exhaust will cause higher EGTs and detonation, Lexus AFM or
>not.
> >> Also, a big intercooler is also a good idea. The stock MK3 exhaust and
> >> intercooler = garbage.
> >>
> >> Your absolutely correct about the ECU not retarding the timing w/ the
> >> Lexus. MSD
> >> sells a boost timing retarder box for your needs. I don't run one.
> >>
> >> -wt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Supras at supras.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:51:02 +0000
>From: Glen K <supra87t at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Supras] Lightened steel/chromoly flywheels?
>To: "Walker, Brian (Rich. Dist)" <brian.walker2 at vdot.virginia.gov>,
> <supras at supras.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY107-W7125A9E53EC99B4BDE7E7D1C20 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
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>JUN makes a nice one.
>
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:59:59 -0400> From:
>Brian.Walker2 at VDOT.Virginia.gov> To: Supras at supras.com> Subject: [Supras]
>Lightened steel/chromoly flywheels?> > Does anyone know if there are
>lightened steel or chromoly flywheels> available for the 7m? Thanks,>
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