[Supras] OBDII recommendation-finger slip

Tue Oct 2 19:57:41 CDT 2007

Jon, Bob:  '93 was a slip of the finger.  I meant to say '03 Accord.  
Also, car manufacturers have been trying for years to put aftermarket 
manufacturers out of business.  CAN bus?  Maybe one key.

       Bernie

Hacker J wrote:
> Bernie,
>
> We had a 92 Accord that we bought new and sold last year with 125k miles. There are a few well known problems.  The engine oil seals spontaneously pop out (subject to a recall), the distributor bearing is prone to failing, front engine mount fails, the oil pan gasket leaks, and radiator seams leak after ten years. The CV boots go out too, like any FWD car.
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> My recollection though is that a 93 Accord is not OBD2.  Our 92 was definitely not OBD2.
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> As for the CAN bus and its complications, its already here.  My wife's car (Volvo) has networked switches and sensors that need to be "programmed" when they get replaced.  I have not found a way to do this at home DIY, it seems its a dealer only job.
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> Jon
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "berniek at technicaldevelop.com" <berniek at technicaldevelop.com>
> To: Hacker J <jonbhacker at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Bob <bob at hairballcreations.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 3:27:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Supras] OBDII recommendation
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> Dear Jon and Bob:
>
>     Yes, I realize this will not be an easy choice.  I'm familiar with 
> the CAN bus from industrial (and military, if you want to believe it) 
> use.  However, I did not realize that all cars will be mandated to use 
> it by 2008.  I just wonder what it is going to do to the aftermarket 
> parts business, as reverse engineering anything in a car which is 
> controlled by a multidrop serial bus will be infinitely harder than 
> something that plugs into a wiring harness. 
>
>     We will probably wind up buying something like a 93 Accord automatic 
> (ugh) which my wife and I can both drive.  I really don't want to drive 
> my '91 Texas Supra in the salt.  Since I will want to check out a 
> prospective car before buying it, ISO will probably be my best bet from 
> what you stated.  There is a slim chance of us considering a Taurus and 
> a slim to none chance of buying a GM car.  There is a 95% chance that 
> the car will be Japanse.  Does that narrow down the field any?
>
>     Thanks.
>
>        Bernie  
>
> Hacker J wrote:
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>> Thanks Bob.  So far my OBD2 problems have been limited to my wife leaving the gas cap off. However, her car is now 7 years old so I'm bracing for some real problems to show up soon. 
>>
>> Its good to know that you have access to those resources and I appreciate your offer to share them should I need them.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Bob <bob at hairballcreations.com>
>> To: Hacker J <jonbhacker at yahoo.com>; berniek at technicaldevelop.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 10:50:03 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Supras] OBDII recommendation
>>
>> John
>>
>> Do you have access to Alldata or IATN?
>>
>> I have full access to both and usually if you have a problem with a code
>> that tossing a part at doesn't fix then searching the IATN Archives for a
>> solution works well
>>
>> If you ever need any help just let me know
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: supras-bounces at supras.com [mailto:supras-bounces at supras.com] On Behalf
>> Of Hacker J
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:40 PM
>> To: supras at supras.com; berniek at technicaldevelop.com
>> Subject: Re: [Supras] OBDII recommendation
>>
>> Bernie,
>>
>> Like all things, its complicated. Besides the longstanding differences
>> between GM (VPW), Ford (PWM), and everyone else (ISO), starting in 2004 CAN
>> has started to be used as well, and will be required for all 2008 models.
>>
>> So, if your target vehicle is unknown, or you are looking to future proof
>> your scanner, you will need to support all of the above  protocols.
>>
>> If you want to venture beyond the  basic OBD-2 codes and get into
>> manufacturer specific codes, or talk to the other systems in the car, then
>> you typically need to buy a more sophisticated scanner (usually running on a
>> laptop) that comes with packages specific to the target car.
>>
>> I currently use the following scanner, www.obd-2.com but the software is a
>> bit clunky and navigating the web site is very tough.
>>
>> I am giving serious thought to buying a scanner from these guys for my CAN
>> equipped Sienna. www.autoenginuity.com  Its a little pricey, but they do
>> offer packages for a lot of manufacturers. I've still got a few years left
>> on the warranty, so haven't had a great sense of urgency to get it yet.
>>
>> Here's a good summary of theirs versus some of the competition
>> http://www.autoenginuity.com/dloads/Product_Comparison.pdf
>>
>> There are some truly awesome scanners for specific manufacturers that
>> duplicate the factory scanner capabilities for specific testing and setting
>> of systems throughout the car. For example, there's one for VW/Audi but I
>> forget the name.
>>
>> Jon
>> 90T
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>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
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>>
>> Well, we finally are replacing our 92 Maxima mule car with something
>> newer, and this is my first venture into OBDII, which NJ checks.  Any
>> recommendations for the best scanner, which hopefully will also cover the
>> transmission and air bag would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bernie
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