[Supras] Problems....

Jim Jobe jjobe2 at supratech.org
Wed Mar 28 07:13:13 CST 2007 

Copper is a better conductor than platinum.  For one who is
looking for every last tenth copper is the way.  They're also
cheaper to replace if fouled while dialing in fuel maps for
example.

Platinum plugs are for increased longevity.  If every last tenth doesn't
concern you or you don't want to change your plugs often (~10-20kmiles
for copper) put in stock NGK platinum plugs.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:34:55AM -0400, Supraman wrote:
> Rich Peacock wrote:
> > NGK BCPR6ES - stock heat range copper plug.  If you get the BCPR6ES-11, 
> > they are gapped too wide and need to be closed to about .030"
> > -Rich
> >   
> Hmmm...why go with a Copper plug? I thought the stock plug was a platinum.
> 
> 
> >
> > Harley wrote:
> >   
> >> So... I found out the problem. I found some time to start tearing into my 
> >> supra... didn't have to go too far... The spark plugs were messed up... 
> >> reeeeally messed up. They were NGK Iridiums. They were ashed to the point 
> >> were they wouldn't spark at high rpm. I replaced them with Bosch platinums 
> >> and now she runs OK... She is still hesitating during boost. and she pops 
> >> more often. I checked codes and it never spat any out. I checked all the 
> >> hoses and they are just fine, i even replaced a few just in case. Any 
> >> suggestion on a good spark plug?
> >>
> >> - Harley (87t)
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Hacker J" <jonbhacker at yahoo.com>
> >> To: <supras at supras.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:17 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Supras] Problems....
> >>
> >>
> >>   
> >>     
> >>> Cold start injector is only powered when the starter is cranking, so I 
> >>> doubt its your problem.
> >>> I would check the ECU temperature sensor in the thermostat housing.
> >>>
> >>> For the "putting" problem, have you checked for any codes? It sounds to me 
> >>> like it could be a boost leak from a cracked hose somewhere in the 
> >>> intercooler plumbing. A very common failure is the hose attached to the 
> >>> turbo compressor output. It sits under the exhaust manifold and is very 
> >>> hard to see/check without removing the 'accordion' hose.
> >>>
> >>> Jon 90T
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>
> >>> - Harley(87t)
> >>>
> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >>> From: Rockey Fox <supr91tt at yahoo.com>
> >>> Precedence: list
> >>> MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>> To: Harley <CoolGuyHB at socal.rr.com>, Supras at supras.com
> >>> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:09:58 -0800 (PST)
> >>> Message-ID: <989620.89599.qm at web51613.mail.yahoo.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >>> Subject: Re: [Supras] Problems....
> >>> Message: 2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Even with new rebuilt turbo, and relatively new rebuild on engine I think 
> >>> the cold start injector stays engaged a bit long rough idle and black 
> >>> smoke) when I don't allow 5 minutes of warm up before boosting. Runs 
> >>> terribly rich when I boost out of the parking lot after work at 40 degrees 
> >>> (it's winter in Atlanta) but after war up all is normal....
> >>>
> >>> hth,
> >>> Rockey 91T
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Harley <CoolGuyHB at socal.rr.com>
> >>> To: Supras at supras.com
> >>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 3:59:12 PM
> >>> Subject: [Supras] Problems....
> >>>
> >>> I took my 87 supra out the other day. Went about 8 miles and parked it at 
> >>> the store. I came out, started her up and started to leave. As soon as 
> >>> pulled out into the street and gave it some gas she just putted rapidly 
> >>> until I got over 3000 rpms. Shifted into 2nd and she did the same thing. 
> >>> She runs fine when its in high rpms. Then she putts when I boost anything 
> >>> over 5 lbs. I know the turbo was going out but would that effect the car 
> >>> at low rpms? She also has a rough idle. During idle it will miss here and 
> >>> there. Its not a steady miss though.
> >>>
> >>> Any idea what it may be?
> >>>
> >>> - Harley(87t)
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Supras mailing list
> >>> Supras at supras.com
> >>> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >>> From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> >>> Precedence: list
> >>> MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>> Cc: Supras at supras.com
> >>> To: Harley <CoolGuyHB at socal.rr.com>
> >>> References: <006b01c74c8d$26c605c0$0a00a8c0 at computer>
> >>> In-Reply-To: <006b01c74c8d$26c605c0$0a00a8c0 at computer>
> >>> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:09:17 +0000
> >>> Message-ID: <a969fbd10702091809v5612a2aycfdfb7b3314f58ad at mail.gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >>> Subject: Re: [Supras] Problems....
> >>> Message: 3
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You sure you didnt end up with MY supra all of a sudden?
> >>>
> >>> ;)
> >>>
> >>> On 2/9/07, Harley <CoolGuyHB at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>     
> >>>       
> >>>> I took my 87 supra out the other day. Went about 8 miles and parked it at
> >>>> the store. I came out, started her up and started to leave. As soon as
> >>>> pulled out into the street and gave it some gas she just putted rapidly
> >>>> until I got over 3000 rpms. Shifted into 2nd and she did the same thing. 
> >>>> She
> >>>> runs fine when its in high rpms. Then she putts when I boost anything 
> >>>> over 5
> >>>> lbs. I know the turbo was going out but would that effect the car at low
> >>>> rpms? She also has a rough idle. During idle it will miss here and there.
> >>>> Its not a steady miss though.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any idea what it may be?
> >>>>
> >>>> - Harley(87t)
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Supras mailing list
> >>>> Supras at supras.com
> >>>> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.com
> >>>>
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >>> From: "Michael Bringle" <squeak at CygnusX1.net>
> >>> Precedence: list
> >>> MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>> Cc: Supras at supras.com
> >>> To: "'Jeff Mohler'" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> >>> References: <006b01c74c8d$26c605c0$0a00a8c0 at computer>
> >>>    <a969fbd10702091809v5612a2aycfdfb7b3314f58ad at mail.gmail.com>
> >>> In-Reply-To: <a969fbd10702091809v5612a2aycfdfb7b3314f58ad at mail.gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:35:22 -0800
> >>> Message-ID: <00d001c74cbc$1d5b3df0$6601a8c0 at Pandora>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;
> >>>    charset="us-ascii"
> >>> Subject: Re: [Supras] Problems....
> >>> Message: 4
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No, his headlights work :)
> >>>
> >>> -Mike
> >>> 89T BST++
> >>> http://www.CygnusX1.net/supra
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: supras-bounces at supras.com [mailto:supras-bounces at supras.com] On 
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Jeff Mohler
> >>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:09 PM
> >>> To: Harley
> >>> Cc: Supras at supras.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Supras] Problems....
> >>>
> >>> You sure you didnt end up with MY supra all of a sudden?
> >>>
> >>> ;)
> >>>
> >>> On 2/9/07, Harley <CoolGuyHB at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>     
> >>>       
> >>>> I took my 87 supra out the other day. Went about 8 miles and parked it at
> >>>> the store. I came out, started her up and started to leave. As soon as
> >>>> pulled out into the street and gave it some gas she just putted rapidly
> >>>> until I got over 3000 rpms. Shifted into 2nd and she did the same thing.
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>> She
> >>>     
> >>>       
> >>>> runs fine when its in high rpms. Then she putts when I boost anything 
> >>>> over
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>> 5
> >>>     
> >>>       
> >>>> lbs. I know the turbo was going out but would that effect the car at low
> >>>> rpms? She also has a rough idle. During idle it will miss here and there.
> >>>> Its not a steady miss though.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any idea what it may be?
> >>>>
> >>>> - Harley(87t)
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Supras mailing list
> >>>> Supras at supras.com
> >>>> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.com
> >>>>
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Supras at supras.com
> >>> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >>> From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> >>> Precedence: list
> >>> MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>> Cc: Supras at supras.com
> >>> To: "Michael Bringle" <squeak at cygnusx1.net>
> >>> References: <006b01c74c8d$26c605c0$0a00a8c0 at computer>
> >>>    <a969fbd10702091809v5612a2aycfdfb7b3314f58ad at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>    <00d001c74cbc$1d5b3df0$6601a8c0 at Pandora>
> >>> In-Reply-To: <00d001c74cbc$1d5b3df0$6601a8c0 at Pandora>
> >>> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:51:25 +0000
> >>> Message-ID: <a969fbd10702091851i52887528y6bee97da7dfab61c at mail.gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >>> Subject: Re: [Supras] Problems....
> >>> Message: 5
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bastard.
> >>>
> >>> On 2/10/07, Michael Bringle <squeak at cygnusx1.net> wrote:
> >>>     
> >>>       
> >>>> No, his headlights work :)
> >>>>
> >>>> -Mike
> >>>> 89T BST++
> >>>> http://www.CygnusX1.net/supra
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: supras-bounces at supras.com [mailto:supras-bounces at supras.com] On
> >>>> Behalf
> >>>> Of Jeff Mohler
> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:09 PM
> >>>> To: Harley
> >>>> Cc: Supras at supras.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Supras] Problems....
> >>>>
> >>>> You sure you didnt end up with MY supra all of a sudden?
> >>>>
> >>>> ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/9/07, Harley <CoolGuyHB at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>>>> I took my 87 supra out the other day. Went about 8 miles and parked it
> >>>>>         
> >>>>>           
> >>>> at
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>>>> the store. I came out, started her up and started to leave. As soon as
> >>>>> pulled out into the street and gave it some gas she just putted rapidly
> >>>>> until I got over 3000 rpms. Shifted into 2nd and she did the same 
> >>>>> thing.
> >>>>>         
> >>>>>           
> >>>> She
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>>>> runs fine when its in high rpms. Then she putts when I boost anything
> >>>>>         
> >>>>>           
> >>>> over
> >>>> 5
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>>>> lbs. I know the turbo was going out but would that effect the car at 
> >>>>> low
> >>>>> rpms? She also has a rough idle. During idle it will miss here and
> >>>>>         
> >>>>>           
> >>>> there.
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Its not a steady miss though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any idea what it may be?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Harley(87t)
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Supras mailing list
> >>>>> Supras at supras.com
> >>>>> http://supras.com/mailman/listinfo/supras_supras.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         
> >>>>>           
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
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> >>>
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