[Supras] New Supra

[Brandon]

Lexus has plans to release a new F series for the IS w/ the IS500 to compete 
w/ the M and AMG cars.  I can see the new Supra sharing a chassis w/ that 
for sure.   The  question is really do you want to see a new supra?  i mean 
its either going to be compromised or overpriced compared to the what the 
MKIII and MKIV were in there time.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
To: "Doug Salb" <mr21985 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <supras at supras.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Supras] New Supra


> The Z aint all that..its fun, its moderately quick but you cant
> finesse the car's power AND walk the edge of handline at the same
> time, and the RX8 (I got one)..its not a HP car, its a potent momentum
> car...not exactly Toyota's calling in sports cars.
>
> The Z was a compromise in order for Nissan to build something to MAKE
> money with.  The G35.  A Supra would be the same thing..a compromise
> to make the chassis engineering profitable in a mass production
> commuter car, and the Supra skin model would have to suffer from those
> market decisions.
>
> The 3000GT was a good model in how to support a low-volume sports car.
> Mitsu had the sense to build a mass-market affordable _base_ class
> unit to support the cost of the chassis design and production. The MK4
> never had a mass affordable base model.
>
> A 1999 base 3KGT-SL was $24-25k.  A base automatic N/A MK4, was
> $31-32k...and sold tons more.  The MK4 was a sweet car although I
> still prefer a Mk3, but it never made money for Toyota because they
> wanted it to be 'exclusive' and it got very limited production line
> time.  Today..the chassis would have to be a mainline model..and that
> would almost have to be a lexus to gain the regocnition by the market
> that can afford it..and to be able to market a base model on the
> chassis that would represent an entry point into an existing market
> line for future owners.  Kinda like the crossover of the Camry -->
> Lexus crowd in 92 or so.
>
> Im outlapping the two moderately prepared (within class allowances)
> Z's in my local Time Trials class in a base RX8 on upgraded tires
> only.
>
>
> But..we can agree to disagree, but I dont believe Toyota will risk
> their extremely efficient production environment to a one-off
> unprofitable sports car, unless it also exists as an affordable
> faux-sports-car to absorb the costs of engineering, production,
> marketing, and distribution.  That compromise would harm ANY of
> Toyota's existing markets, unless its in the Lexus corral where its OK
> to have an edgy sporty ride and feel (ergonomically speaking..how
> people fit in it).
>
>
>
> On 1/3/07, Doug Salb <mr21985 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Lexus already has a high end sports car , they need to fill the void with 
>> Toyota to compete against the Z and RX8 or at the very least a flagship 
>> for Toyota.
>>
>> Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing at gmail.com> wrote:  Just like the "we" that 
>> didnt stand in like for the MK4?
>>
>> Its a numbes game..100,000 will sell a car year after year, 10k
>> wont...not worth the engineering effort or assembly effort.
>>
>> It'll be a Lexus if anything..which would be fine with me.
>>
>> On 1/3/07, Doug Salb wrote:
>> > Actually if you are quoting what I wrote I said, Their is no doubt the
>> > Supra is coming.
>> >
>> > If they build it we will buy it. Toyota wants to develop the hybrid 
>> > into
>> > their next sports car. Leaders in the industry, Smart move and no one 
>> > else
>> > is doing it.
>> >
>> > Their is nothing we can do but wait, and I'm sure it will be worth the 
>> > wait.
>> >
>> > Jeff Mohler wrote:
>> > "No doubt a new supra is coming" has been on this list since August of 
>> > 1998.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/3/07, Doug Salb wrote:
>> > > Road and Track has a similar article. Their is no doubt the Supra is
>> > coming, it's now just a matter of time. 2008 possible.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4440
>> > >
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