[Supras] E85 retrofit

[supraman88]

Reviving an old thread:

This is interesting. I have been buying my gas in Vermont, and in VT they 
don't have the 'oxygenation' requirement that Mass. does, so I have been 
told by a couple of 'technician' friends that I am running 'real' gas and 
should be getting better gas mileage.

This weekend I didn't load up on Friday in VT as I usually do, and Saturday 
I refilled at a station in Mass where we run 10-15% Ethanol in the fuel. I 
put in the usual amount and did more than the usual amount of driving this 
weekend.

No, my speedo/odo is busted, but I know the routes I drive, and I did much, 
much more driving than I usually do. I also drove it to work, which would be 
the equivalent of getting my gas in VT, driving home, and driving around all 
weekend.

The final score is that I actually did MUCH better using the Ethanol laced 
fuel! Now, there are so many problems with my car that I am estimating 
approx 17 MPG, but I bet I did over 20 this w/e!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brandon" <fstrnldr at tconl.com>
To: "Jim Thomann" <list1 at thomann.no-ip.com>; <supras at supras.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Supras] E85 retrofit


> >From what i have heard and found through minimal research.   Is that E85 
> >has
> to run at a far richer a/f, which means worse MPG than you get now, and 
> will
> usually require larger fuel injectors to accomadate this.   I was going to
> try it on the Honda i had for a winter beater last year, since the ECU's 
> can
> be easily chipped, and i can burn a chip w/ two programs and switch 
> between
> them w/ a switch it would have been perfect.  Problem was there was only 
> one
> gas station i found in town that carried it,(this is in NEBRASK!!! we have
> plenty of damn corn here!)  and it was still expensive....
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-02-14-e85-usat_x.htm
> for example.  Thats when i quit thinking about it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Thomann" <list1 at thomann.no-ip.com>
> To: <supras at supras.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:17 PM
> Subject: [Supras] E85 retrofit
>
>
>> Does anyone know what is required to retrofit a non-flex fuel vehicle to
>> be able to run E85?  My understanding is that the American car makers
>> are shipping FFVs because there getting wavers to get a better overall
>> product line MPG rating and avoid fines.  Also making a flex fuel
>> vehicle only adds about $200 to the cost.  I have also been told that
>> Toyota has no intention of producing FFVs and will instead focus on
>> Hybrids.
>>
>> Please discuss.
>>
>>
>> JimT
>>
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