[Supras] Fwd: Some new pictures of what is going on

Tue Jun 6 00:49:28 CDT 2006

On 6/5/06, Aaron Hansen <shenku at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Poor form,
>
> This is not cool Aaron.  I hope no one confuses me with you.  Why don't
> you go troll in the honda forums...
>

I know very little about Hondas so I don't plan to visit the Honda forums
any time soon.  However, I do know a fair amount about Supras since I have
owned two and have been on the supras at supras.com list for quite some time
(through the previous two list administrators).  I am not trolling, as I've
said before, the mk3 is a piece of shit, and pouring good money after bad
into it is a waste of both time and money.  For what it's worth, I hope
nobody confuses me with you either.

Aaron Hansen
> 87T
>
> BTW Dean is right and you are in the wrong place if you think people here
> are going to think you're great for bashing the 7M.
>

I have no idea who you are, but I've been on this list _way_ longer than
you, and everyone with a mk3 knows first hand that it is a piece of junk.  I
think most mk3 owners are in denial about this.  The car is too old and has
no collectors value, making it a waste of time in my book.  I had a lot of
fun with my mk3 (87 turbo w/ targa, 5spd, basic mods, and $7000 worth of
stereo gear in it) but I don't miss it that much.  I used to be in love with
it, but it is just too much work.  I went through 3 long blocks with mine.
I can't imagine buying another one, even though it is a fun car (having a
turbo alone is fun in its own right).  With all of the money I spent on
mine, I could very well be driving a much nicer car now instead of throwing
good money after bad on a 20-year old car that isn't worth anything at all
on the open market.  The mk4 would be one example of a much nicer car,
although I've never cared for its looks either with spoiler or without.
Dean knows first hand how much work a mk3 takes to get into excellent
shape.  I used to be in denial about the mk3 (about it being a good
investment and a reliable car) but I've since learned to listen to reason
instead.  Most people here probably know that the car looks great and is fun
to drive, but they also know that owning a mk3 requires constant problem
chasing, and they choose to ignore that part of ownership.

Aaron

On 6/3/06, Aaron Picker <aaron.picker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I mistakenly only sent this to the aoler rather than to the list.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Dm19959 at aol.com <Dm19959 at aol.com>
> Date: Jun 3, 2006 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Supras] Some new pictures of what is going on
> To: aaron.picker at gmail.com
>
> LOL, you are ignorant aren't you? You have NOT been replying to the list,
> only to me individually. Your comment "Ninety-five of cars ever built do
> not
> come with factory and/or engineering defects" is incredibly humorous and
> once again illustrates your lack of a grasp on reality.
>
> If you maintained your MKII or MKIII the way you construct emails and
> respond to emails then it is obscenely obvious why you had so many
> problems.
>
> I can go on as well but I choose not to as you are simply a bi-polar waste
> of time.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> LOL
>
> In a message dated 6/3/2006 3:25:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> aaron.picker at gmail.com writes:
>
> On 6/2/06, Dm19959 at aol.com <Dm19959 at aol.com > wrote:
> >
> >    Never a blown head gasket with a cumulative total of over 500K miles.
> > Incredible POS? LOL, perhaps through your eyes.
> >
>
> Everyone on the list who has had a mk3 for any amount of time knows that
> it
> is a project car.  It is a lemon, and it came from Toyota that way.
>
>   Perhaps your world is one with blinders on instead of "rose colored
> > glasses". I own several different cars, not just Supras, and they all
> have
> > problems, new and old.
> >
>
> Having blinders on is the same as viewing things through "rose colored
> glasses", i.e. seeing the glass as half full when it is more than half
> empty.  You must be really fucking dumb.  Perhaps you should try buying a
> reliable car.  Most cars don't have any problems at all.
>
>
>   Until a perfect machine is built problems will always be there though.
> If
> > you are simply going to continually bash the MKIII do not respond as I
> have
> > zero interest in hearing your comments.
> >
>
> I chose to respond and to continue to bash the mk3 despite your advice.
> Perfection in a car isn't a requirement in order for the car to live a
> long
> life with no problems by simply performing factory scheduled maintainance.
>
> Ninety-five of cars ever built do not come with factory and/or engineering
> defects.  I can probably continue this this thread as long as you like,
> and
> Rich probably does realize that you are making yourself look really stupid
>
> (and therefore probably will allow you to continue doing so by letting the
> thread live).
>
>     In a message dated 6/2/2006 7:12:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > aaron.picker at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > On 6/2/06, Dm19959 at aol.com < Dm19959 at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >    Horrendous lemon, hideous disaster? Nope, not at all. Every true
> > > Supra person knows that there is an incredibly easy repair for the
> 7M's
> > > supposed "head gasket problem".
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, it's called using another engine.  The mk3's aluminum head and
> cast
> > iron block are a recipe for disaster.  They expand and contract at
> different
> > rates, it's just that simple.  The retorque is a band-aid.  It treats
> the
> > symptoms without actually fixing the problem.  The 5m head on the 7m
> short
> > block might be a good workaround.
> >
> >     The MKIII is an incredibly well engineered machine.
> > >
> >
> > It's an incredible piece of shit.  The mk3 is under-engineered, plain
> and
> > simple.  The mk4 is an incredibly well engineered machine, but it is an
> ugly
> > car (imho).
> >
> >     People who "buy in" to the head gasket issue should stay away from
> > > cars all together as they will never be satisfied with any car because
> of
> > > the problems that easy and every model suffer from each and every
> make.
> > >
> >
> > The mk3 has problems that are all its own.  Very few (and I mean VERY
> few)
> > cars have as many problems as the mk3.  In order to keep a mk3 on the
> road,
> > "buying in" to the head gasket problem is a requirement.
> >
> >     I am going to assume that you do not own a MKIII and if you do then
> > > there is a problem on your end as you should have never purchased one
> if
> > > you"know" all of your comments.
> > >
> >
> > I have owned an 85 p-type and an 87 turbo.  I gave up on the mk3 several
> > years ago.  I've never had so many problems with anything.  It was a fun
>
> > car, but it is a lemon, and that's about all there is to it.  Mk3 fans
> seem
> > to see (or try to see) the world with rose-colored glasses ( i.e. the
> half
> > full glass of water rather than the half empty one).
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
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