[Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts

Mon Aug 21 10:18:22 CDT 2006

This is exactly what's got me fearing the uphill esses at the end of the
straight on VIR (closest track to me) I need to go ahead and do a DE
there to get over that fear. I don't think I'll be able to do it too
fast on the Tokico/Eibach setup though. 

Now for my question, where can I find revalved konis? I take it they'd
be much better than off the shelf ones for the mk3 right? I'm thinking
if I use those with the RSR springs (only linear ones I've found that
offer lower stance and higher rate than stock) it may be a good combo.

Fwiw, I had a couple of our National level auto-x guys drive my car
during fun runs this weekend. Their times were within 2/10 of mine so I
think I'm doing fairly well (street tires). Now to get the setup right
and find more time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mohler [mailto:speedtoys.racing at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 6:23 PM
To: htekwo at aol.com
Cc: lewnjudy at qwest.net; supras at supras.com; Brian Walker;
sogi-tech at supracentral.com; edicristofaro at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts

Well..if we might come back down to earth and performance..

Stiffer chassis & suspension mount points turns into more accurate
input timing to make the car do what you want to do right NOW, but as
far as suspension upgrades to normal cars, swaybars and strut rebound
adjustment (and quality) are the first two places to go..to make the
largest difference.

If you cant control the roll of the car, you cant turn-in, if you cant
controll rebound on the side of the car that wants to come up, cant
cant settle the car after turn-in, AND you cant transition the car
from one side to the other..at all, without sacraficing serious time
and speed.

On 8/18/06, htekwo at aol.com <htekwo at aol.com> wrote:
>
> The TEMS will only go into full stiff when cornering and then only
> momenterily.  The TEMS controller by HKS allows you to go full stiff
on
> demand or select an auto mode.  A stiffer suspension does not
neccessarily
> translate into quicker track times. When manufacturers come out with a
> "sport suspension" and they stiffen up the car, it rarely translates
into a
> substancial handling increase.  Tires are where you make your money in
the
> handling department.  Just look at the major racing series (like F1)
that
> have competing tire manufacturers.  The difference in who wins usually
comes
> down to the tires.
>
> Eric H.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speedtoys.racing at gmail.com
> To: lewnjudy at qwest.net
> Cc: supras at supras.com; Brian.Walker at timmons.com;
sogi-tech at supracentral.com;
> edicristofaro at gmail.com
> Sent: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts
>
> Thats the primary problem with tokiko, they adjust compression ONLY
with
> TEMS, not rebound.

So it 'feels' good but performance wise, it's adjusting
> the wrong thing totally.

On 8/17/06, Lew Shaw <lewnjudy at qwest.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Strange, I have just the opposite situation. TEMS with Eibachs
> and Tokikos
> all around and I notice a substantial difference between the
> settings. The
> #3 setting will jar your teeth loose, but I don't scrape in
> dippy driveways
> and speed bumps. For most spirited driving I use the #2
> setting.
>
> Lew Shaw
> '87 Turbo
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Brian Walker
> To: Ed Di Cristofaro ; bonescom at bellsouth.net
> Cc: Jeff
> Mohler ; sogi-tech at supracentral.com ; supras list
>
> Sent: Thursday, August
> 17, 2006 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico
> struts
>
>
>
>
> As far as mentioning of TEMS goes, I remember reading an
> article from when
> the mk3 was first being tested by magazine writers. They
> talked about the
> Tems function and how an early pre-production model had
> substantial
> difference in handling feel between the Tems settings. They
> mentioned that
> testing the production model didn't have a difference in
> feel.
>
>
>
> I still have Tems working with Tokicos and can't tell much of
> a difference
> even during competition driving. I've noticed before that I
> had completed a
> run and forgot to set it to Sport, the following run
> wasn't noticeably
> different aside from the placebo effect. This is using a
> shorter spring with
> the Tokico so it could be that the effective range of
> the shock is not being
> noticed as much. When driving normally I can only
> feel a very slight
> difference in compression firmness between the
> settings.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From:
> sogi-tech-owner at supracentral.com
>
> [mailto:sogi-tech-owner at supracentral.com] On Behalf Of Ed
>
> Di Cristofaro
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:28 PM
> To:
> bonescom at bellsouth.net
> Cc: Jeff Mohler; sogi-tech at supracentral.com; supras
> list
> Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts
>
>
>
>
> My solution
> was to just get used ones from somebody who'd lowered their
> car. A lot of
> list members run Eibach's, so they might have a set lying
> around if you
> ask nicely. I think Elvis (thanks again, if you're still on
> the list!)
> sold me an old set for the cost of shipping a couple years back.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I do have to say, my car with tokicos + stock springs is a lot better
than
>
> it was with tokicos + h&r. Plus now it doesn't scrape going over speed
>
> bumps, nor does it function as a snow plow.
>
>
>
>
> On 8/17/06,
> bonescom at bellsouth.net <bonescom at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if
> you were directing your questions to me or not, but I'll
> answer
> anyway.
>
> As far as I know, there's nothing wrong with the stock springs
> except, most
> likely, price. If the price is good, I'll buy them.
>
>
> Running anything except TEMS shocks is out of the question for me. The
car
>
> came with it and I intend to keep it. I just don't want to change what
> came
> with the car.
>
> Dana F
> >
> > From: "Jeff Mohler" <
> speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> > Date: 2006/08/17 Thu PM 12:33:05 EDT
> > To:
> "bonescom at bellsouth.net" < bonescom at bellsouth.net>
> > CC: "Ed Di
> Cristofaro" <edicristofaro at gmail.com>,
> > "sogi-tech at supracentral.com "
> <sogi-tech at supracentral.com>,
> > "supras list" <supras at supras.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts
> >
> > Whats wrong with
> stock height stock springs, specifically?
> >
> > You can -not- find a
> higher spring rate than stock, believe it or not.
> > Theyre actually pretty
> strong, just CRAP STRUTS..OEM and Tokico,
> > you'll stop missing TEMS once
> you experience a truly good strut on
> > your car.
> >
> > On 8/17/06,
> bonescom at bellsouth.net < bonescom at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > Well, I don't
> really have that much interest in lowering the car. I had
> considered some
> of the aftermarket springs only because of the lesser price
> than stock
> springs from the dealer. The lowering that they do would have
> just been
> gravy.
> > >
> > > If what you've heard is true, I would have no issue in
> getting
> aftermarket stock height springs...if they exist and are of decent
> quality.
> > >
> > > Dana F
> > > >
> > > > From: "Ed Di Cristofaro" <
> edicristofaro at gmail.com>
> > > > Date: 2006/08/17 Thu AM 09:45:58 EDT
> > >
> > To: "Dana Franklin" <bonescom at bellsouth.net >
> > > > CC: "supras list"
> <supras at supras.com>,
> > > > "sogi-tech at supracentral.com "
> <sogi-tech at supracentral.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [SOGI-TECH] Tokico
> struts
> > > >
> > > > I destroyed a set of Tokicos, but I was using H&R
> springs. I still
> have
> > > > Tokicos on the front with OEM springs now,
> no problems at all.
> > > >
> > > > They're just not that tolerant to
> lowering is what I've heard.
> > > >
> > > > Wow, I haven't posted in a
> while...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/16/06, Dana Franklin
> <bonescom at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just read a thread
> from last month concerning the reliability of
> the
> > > > > Tokico struts.
> I purchased a set of these 8 years ago for
> TEMS. That
> > > > > was about
> 75K miles ago. I've had no problem until about 6 months
> ago.
> > > > > I
> have one that started leaking and is finally blown.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd
> like to replace the spings as well as the struts on all four
> > > > >
> corners. I don't race or anything and would like to keep the TEMS
> > > > >
> working. I assume the only other option I have is OEM struts, but I
> > > >
> > seem to recall those being stupid expensive!
> > > > >
> > > > > Any other
> suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> Dana Franklin a.k.a. "Bones" 87T
> > > > >
> > > > > SOGI Member (Supra
> Owners Group International) http://www.supras.com
> > > > > SCORE Member
> (Savannah-Chatham Offroad Racing Enthusiasts)
> > > > >
> http://www.score-racing.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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