[Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts

Fri Aug 18 12:46:32 CDT 2006

The TEMS will only go into full stiff when cornering and then only momenterily.  The TEMS controller by HKS allows you to go full stiff on demand or select an auto mode.  A stiffer suspension does not neccessarily translate into quicker track times. When manufacturers come out with a "sport suspension" and they stiffen up the car, it rarely translates into a substancial handling increase.  Tires are where you make your money in the handling department.  Just look at the major racing series (like F1) that have competing tire manufacturers.  The difference in who wins usually comes down to the tires.

Eric H.

-----Original Message-----
From: speedtoys.racing at gmail.com
To: lewnjudy at qwest.net
Cc: supras at supras.com; Brian.Walker at timmons.com; sogi-tech at supracentral.com; edicristofaro at gmail.com
Sent: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts

Thats the primary problem with tokiko, they adjust compression ONLY
with TEMS, not rebound.

So it 'feels' good but performance wise, it's adjusting the wrong thing totally.

On 8/17/06, Lew Shaw <lewnjudy at qwest.net> wrote:
>
>
> Strange, I have just the opposite situation.  TEMS with Eibachs and Tokikos
> all around and I notice a substantial difference between the settings.  The
> #3 setting will jar your teeth loose, but I don't scrape in dippy driveways
> and speed bumps.  For most spirited driving I use the #2 setting.
>
> Lew Shaw
> '87 Turbo
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Walker
> To: Ed Di Cristofaro ; bonescom at bellsouth.net
> Cc: Jeff Mohler ; sogi-tech at supracentral.com ; supras list
>
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts
>
>
>
>
> As far as mentioning of TEMS goes, I remember reading an article from when
> the mk3 was first being tested by magazine writers. They talked about the
> Tems function and how an early pre-production model had substantial
> difference in handling feel between the Tems settings. They mentioned that
> testing the production model didn't have a difference in feel.
>
>
>
> I still have Tems working with Tokicos and can't tell much of a difference
> even during competition driving. I've noticed before that I had completed a
> run and forgot to set it to Sport, the following run wasn't noticeably
> different aside from the placebo effect. This is using a shorter spring with
> the Tokico so it could be that the effective range of the shock is not being
> noticed as much. When driving normally I can only feel a very slight
> difference in compression firmness between the settings.
>
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>
>
> From: sogi-tech-owner at supracentral.com
> [mailto:sogi-tech-owner at supracentral.com] On Behalf Of Ed
> Di Cristofaro
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:28 PM
> To: bonescom at bellsouth.net
> Cc: Jeff Mohler; sogi-tech at supracentral.com; supras list
> Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts
>
>
>
>
> My solution was to just get used ones from somebody who'd lowered their
> car.  A lot of list members run Eibach's, so they might have a set lying
> around if you ask nicely.  I think Elvis (thanks again, if you're still on
> the list!) sold me an old set for the cost of shipping a couple years back.
>
>
>
>
>
> I do have to say, my car with tokicos + stock springs is a lot better than
> it was with tokicos + h&r.  Plus now it doesn't scrape going over speed
> bumps, nor does it function as a snow plow.
>
>
>
>
> On 8/17/06, bonescom at bellsouth.net <bonescom at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if you were directing your questions to me or not, but I'll
> answer anyway.
>
> As far as I know, there's nothing wrong with the stock springs except, most
> likely, price.  If the price is good, I'll buy them.
>
> Running anything except TEMS shocks is out of the question for me.  The car
> came with it and I intend to keep it.  I just don't want to change what came
> with the car.
>
> Dana F
> >
> > From: "Jeff Mohler" < speedtoys.racing at gmail.com>
> > Date: 2006/08/17 Thu PM 12:33:05 EDT
> > To: "bonescom at bellsouth.net" < bonescom at bellsouth.net>
> > CC: "Ed Di Cristofaro" <edicristofaro at gmail.com>,
> >       "sogi-tech at supracentral.com " <sogi-tech at supracentral.com>,
> >       "supras list" <supras at supras.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Supras] [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts
> >
> > Whats wrong with stock height stock springs, specifically?
> >
> > You can -not- find a higher spring rate than stock, believe it or not.
> >  Theyre actually pretty strong, just CRAP STRUTS..OEM and Tokico,
> > you'll stop missing TEMS once you experience a truly good strut on
> > your car.
> >
> > On 8/17/06, bonescom at bellsouth.net < bonescom at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > Well, I don't really have that much interest in lowering the car.  I had
> considered some of the aftermarket springs only because of the lesser price
> than stock springs from the dealer.  The lowering that they do would have
> just been gravy.
> > >
> > > If what you've heard is true, I would have no issue in getting
> aftermarket stock height springs...if they exist and are of decent quality.
> > >
> > > Dana F
> > > >
> > > > From: "Ed Di Cristofaro" < edicristofaro at gmail.com>
> > > > Date: 2006/08/17 Thu AM 09:45:58 EDT
> > > > To: "Dana Franklin" <bonescom at bellsouth.net >
> > > > CC: "supras list" <supras at supras.com>,
> > > >         "sogi-tech at supracentral.com " <sogi-tech at supracentral.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [SOGI-TECH] Tokico struts
> > > >
> > > > I destroyed a set of Tokicos, but I was using H&R springs.  I still
> have
> > > > Tokicos on the front with OEM springs now, no problems at all.
> > > >
> > > > They're just not that tolerant to lowering is what I've heard.
> > > >
> > > > Wow, I haven't posted in a while...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/16/06, Dana Franklin <bonescom at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just read a thread from last month concerning the reliability of
> the
> > > > > Tokico struts.  I purchased a set of these 8 years ago for
> TEMS.  That
> > > > > was about 75K miles ago.  I've had no problem until about 6 months
> ago.
> > > > > I have one that started leaking and is finally blown.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to replace the spings as well as the struts on all four
> > > > > corners.  I don't race or anything and would like to keep the TEMS
> > > > > working.  I assume the only other option I have is OEM struts, but I
> > > > > seem to recall those being stupid expensive!
> > > > >
> > > > > Any other suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dana Franklin a.k.a. "Bones"  87T
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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